Plaig Bearings

[yellow door 1]

Grabbed a spare LRB for when mine eventually rusts out. When it arrived it was in a bag with no visible traces of lubricant.

So I opened up the bag and sprayed some INOX in there. Enough to drown the bearing.

Then when I got home I looked at the add again to see if these bearings a pre-lubed and it says they are lubed with "Shell AF2 Oil".

So my questions are

1 - if this bearing had not been pre-lubed - would drowning it in Inox work. Could the inox seep into the bearing?

2 - If it is pre-lubed - would drowning it in Inox be a problem?

[Basti]

as far as i know, inox isn't a lube and will dissolve existing lubes. it will get into the bearing and you'll have to clean it out and relube before use

[manno]

I just like that you did it first. Then asked.

[yellow door 1]

Originally Posted by Basti

as far as i know, inox isn't a lube and will dissolve existing lubes. it will get into the bearing and you'll have to clean it out and relube before use

I know WD40 is a de-greaser that does what you are saying but I swear someone recommended Inox to me because it doesnt de-grease.

I'm using the Inox MX3...............

Edit - ahh bugger - the inox that was recommended was the MX6

[yellow door 1]

Originally Posted by manno

I just like that you did it first. Then asked.

When you've got brilliant ideas firing out of your brain like a machine gun - Its sometimes hard to slow down and think things through

[Slazmo]

Inox is oil based. I worked there - only good stuff goes in - and hence why i used it primarily on all reels i service.

The oil that comes on their bearings is a anti corrosive at best. Quiet a lot of machine parts come with it and thats all it should be seen as.

Grease oil mix in a bearing is better than just oil especially in the rotor due to centrifugal forces.

[Basti]

Originally Posted by yellow door 1

I know WD40 is a de-greaser that does what you are saying but I swear someone recommended Inox to me because it doesnt de-grease.

I'm using the Inox MX3...............

Edit - ahh bugger - the inox that was recommended was the MX6

not sure mate i haven't used inox before. I'm just going by the advice that's given of not spraying inox onto reels and applying it with a cloth instead. i think the logic behind that was so it didn't displace grease. I'm happy to be corrected though

[yellow door 1]

Originally Posted by Slazmo

Inox is oil based. I worked there - only good stuff goes in - and hence why i used it primarily on all reels i service.

The oil that comes on their bearings is a anti corrosive at best. Quiet a lot of machine parts come with it and thats all it should be seen as.

Grease oil mix in a bearing is better than just oil especially in the rotor due to centrifugal forces.

Sweet - thanks for that - I'll leave it soaking then

[yellow door 1]

Originally Posted by Basti

not sure mate i haven't used inox before. I'm just going by the advice that's given of not spraying inox onto reels and applying it with a cloth instead. i think the logic behind that was so it didn't displace grease. I'm happy to be corrected though

Yeah I'm still not 100% sure either

[Slazmo]

Inox oil added to greases will thin it down, and in doing so may / will remove some of the greases properties like tackiness and ability to stay in a / on a spot, not destroy it as such.

WD water dispersing sprays as such will destroy greases. When they did the breakdown of WD is was quiet amazing to see what was in it... Would I buy it for anything other than spraying baits - nope. CRC 5.65 is by far a better product at what it does.

Having a slip gear of sorts in a reel, the gear faces are subjected to shear wear (mostly due to peoples use of the reel as a winch rather than a line collecting device) and its extremely hard to have anything stick to the gear faces over any period of time, due to the pressures and sliding opposing gear faces. Softer sticky greases seem to do the best work, however they can really highlight the geary feel of some reels (either before or after servicing) - even when / while properly protected. Some reels like softer and some like thicker NLGI rating greases - a fact of individual build and feel and age of a particular reel.

When you spray a oil onto those gears it can "wash off / thin" the remaining grease and in turn add oil to the gear faces - replenishing however removing the thicker grease initially, it will instantly change the 'feel' of said reel, but not add or reduce the protective element of the oil added providing it is of the right nature for the job intended.

I am putting money on the fact that one day reels will become a wet bathed gearbox of sorts, doing away all together with heavy greases which hinder performance.

A - simply grease is a modified oil suspension with other friction modifiers and tackifiers to allow it to cling and perform specific tasks etc

B - coating the gear faces in a light coat of oil can protect the metal to metal shear faves just as well as long as the oils properties can match the application. Eg: singer oil is only good for simple applications like hinges and sewing machines.

C - Application duress and service periods plays a questionable element to each and every individual reel vs owner imaginable...

I have one reel that gets a drop of oil via the service port onto the pinion as a test pig and its running well. But in turn the oil has been further modified to suit the application, it aint no MX5...

So with getting back to the bearings, a slight mix of grease / oil is all thats needed TBH. Too much grease will dough up a reels performance however give it much more longevity, and too little grease and too much oil will see bearings run dry after initial application due to flashing / running off over 'X' service time. Its a fine line between the two but it can only be found by yourself and to your liking.

[yellow door 1]

Originally Posted by Slazmo

Inox oil added to greases will thin it down, and in doing so may / will remove some of the greases properties like tackiness and ability to stay in a / on a spot, not destroy it as such.

WD water dispersing sprays as such will destroy greases.

Having a slip gear of sorts in a reel the gear faces are subjected to shear wear and its extremely hard to have anything stick to the gear faces over any period of time. Softer sticky greases seem to do the best work however they can really highlight the geary feel of some reels - even when properly protected. Some reels like softer and some like thicker NLGI rating greases - a fact of individual build and feel and age of a particular reel also.

When you spray a oil onto those gears it can "wash off" the remaining grease and in turn add oil to the gear faces, it will instantly change the 'feel' of said reel, but not add or reduce the protective element of the oil added.

A - simply grease is a modified oil suspension with other friction modifiers and tackifiers to allow it to cling and perform specific tasks etc

B - coating the gear faces in a light coat of oil can protect the metal to metal shear faves just as well as long as the oils properties can match the application. Eg: singer oil is ony good for simple applications like hinges and sewing machines.

C - Application duress and service periods plays a questionable element to each and every individual reel vs owner imaginable...

I have one reel that gets a drop of oil via the service port onto the pinion as a test pig and its running well. But in turn the oil has been further modified to suit the application, it aint no MX5...

I had to read that twice but I'm finally getting it - thanks heaps for that.

[Slazmo]

Yeh I'm tired... may have gone around the block once or twice with what i said...

Anyhow WD sprays bad...

[yellow door 1]

Originally Posted by Slazmo

Yeh I'm tired... may have gone around the block once or twice with what i said...

Anyhow WD sprays bad...

Nah it was well written - Its just my brain was fighting the initial impulse to learn. I had to give it a good talking to and make it concentrate the second time round

Yeah I stopped using WD 40 after hearing what its actually designed to do

[Slazmo]

And when I visit the Inox website - they've kept my speel about it for reels

[t303]

Just a little more info on "Shell AF2".
It is a preservative oil used widely in aviation (Aviation Fluid 2) and is just a preservative/shipping/storage coating, not specifically a lubricant. The parts attached to an airframe get this removed and replaced with a proper lube.