Fireline Coils on Drop

Sloth · #1 21-11-2013, 04:54 AM

Not sure whether this was to go in the setting up your gear forum or here ... but since it may be a noob mistake I'll put it here

I've got two sedona 2500 reels. One is spooled with 6lb crystal fireline and a fc leader. One is fc straight-thru (5lb sunline sniper).

I've been doing a bit of tea-bagging with micro vibes and been free spooling them on the drop. With the fc I don't have many issues (other than seeing the line at times) but I understand fishing on the fused line would be preferable for tea-bagging vibes due to less stretch and easier visibility ..... however, when I tried this the fireline coiled horribly .... almost like an old telephone handset cable. The micro vibe is very light so it got to the point where the coils would catch the guides and halt the drop.

I'm 99% sure I spooled up correctly (spooled onto the reel in the same direction it came off the spool). The line does not create line twists, just tightish coils (maybe an inch diameter).If I've got a bit of tension on it, it is fine and the coils drop out. Its also fine for when I've fished hb's and sp's. I only see this free spooling a drop.

When I free spool I have the bail open and I'm drawing lines off the spool with my hand and releasing them (I tried to just let line flow from the spool by itself but it wouldn't - presumably as the vibe is so light?)

I also only experience the coiling problem when free spooling on the fireline ..... the sunline seems to coil a lot less..... This confuses me as I thought fireline had less memory than fc

so my question is:

Is this an issue with crystal fireline? An issue with free spooling in general ? Or am I doing something wrong ... and most importantly is there anything I can do to fix it

Cheers

Dave

fishnhook · #2 21-11-2013, 05:12 AM

When i used to use fire line in the past it did the same thing to me
that's why I stopped using fireline I now don't use fused braid for that reason.

timk1111 · #3 21-11-2013, 05:19 AM

Braid has no memory, so with such a light lure, I can't see how you'd get around it without going to lighter braid, which still may not help....can you cast it out, let it sink, work it to your feet, then tea bag it while it's there?

Sloth · #4 21-11-2013, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishnhook

When i used to use fire line in the past it did the same thing to me
that's why I stopped using fireline I now don't use fused braid for that reason.

What did you switch to as an alternative? Are you just using a non-fused braid like sunline PE?

clis · #5 21-11-2013, 05:48 AM

If the line is really new, it can coil like that and be annoying...once you've used it under tension, it'll start to lay properly and you'll find it much better

Sloth · #6 21-11-2013, 05:56 AM

Yeah its new - probably got maybe 15 hours of lure fishing and its definitely had the majority of its use under tension..... only had the problem when free spooling .... I'm just baffled that it is meant to be low memory and its far worse than the fc which is meant to be prone to having memory issues.

clis · #7 21-11-2013, 06:04 AM

6lb is probably too heavy for what you are doing also...I use 3lb crystal fireline as a general rule and don't have any issues but I am careful with it when it's new and almost always it's used under tension...I'd go a lighter line

fishnhook · #8 21-11-2013, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sloth

What did you switch to as an alternative? Are you just using a non-fused braid like sunline PE?

Yes i now only use non fused braided line it all ways lays
the line straight every time i cast out.

Sloth · #9 21-11-2013, 06:13 AM

Fair point .... I bought the 6lb before I really knew what I was doing and before I knew the breaking strain on braid/fused is often much higher than stated. I thought I was going ultra-light

As I'm still learning I don't really want to spring for another spool of line ... would you advise against using the 6lb fireline for SP fishing too? I could live with using the FC spool for my hb and tea-bagging sessions and use the fireline with an fc leader for SP's. Once I've got decent use out of it I'll go lighter or switch to PE I guess

clis · #10 21-11-2013, 06:25 AM

Why not put that line on another outfit that you use for a heavier application...another good line trick is to use the line until you feel like its worn out and then take it off and respool it back on backwards...you end up with a new unused section of main line...makes your line last longer and the $$$ go further. You can even take off the used section then take the line off and add some more backing and re spool...again a new main line. I do this because it makes economic sense.

vxcalais · #11 21-11-2013, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sloth

Not sure whether this was to go in the setting up your gear forum or here ... but since it may be a noob mistake I'll put it here

I've got two sedona 2500 reels. One is spooled with 6lb crystal fireline and a fc leader. One is fc straight-thru (5lb sunline sniper).

I've been doing a bit of tea-bagging with micro vibes and been free spooling them on the drop. With the fc I don't have many issues (other than seeing the line at times) but I understand fishing on the fused line would be preferable for tea-bagging vibes due to less stretch and easier visibility ..... however, when I tried this the fireline coiled horribly .... almost like an old telephone handset cable. The micro vibe is very light so it got to the point where the coils would catch the guides and halt the drop.

I'm 99% sure I spooled up correctly (spooled onto the reel in the same direction it came off the spool). The line does not create line twists, just tightish coils (maybe an inch diameter).If I've got a bit of tension on it, it is fine and the coils drop out. Its also fine for when I've fished hb's and sp's. I only see this free spooling a drop.

When I free spool I have the bail open and I'm drawing lines off the spool with my hand and releasing them (I tried to just let line flow from the spool by itself but it wouldn't - presumably as the vibe is so light?)

I also only experience the coiling problem when free spooling on the fireline ..... the sunline seems to coil a lot less..... This confuses me as I thought fireline had less memory than fc

so my question is:

Is this an issue with crystal fireline? An issue with free spooling in general ? Or am I doing something wrong ... and most importantly is there anything I can do to fix it

Cheers

Dave

One of the main lines I use for tea baggin is Fireline Smoke 4lb, purely for the reason it is so strong, reliable but hard to see for you and the fish. Its not the best colour when casting out and trying to watch the line. Fireline is easily one of the best when it comes to less wind knots, line blowing off and line management wise

With tea baggin, you are dropping such a light lure with a slow drop and loose line, coils etc. are common, that is why every now and then you need to cast out as far as you can to correct the line lay on the spool. There is nothing keeping the line taught or pulling it off keeping tension if you know what i mean. With fluorocarbon, you more than likely need to cover the spool from wind when line coming off as the wind can blow it off causing loops.

I sometimes use lighter trebles to slow the sink further and sometimes line needs to be pulled off as there is no momentum from not casting. I often drop the lure down, pull some line off and hold it in my hand. I let line off when i need and you feel the slight taps as its line direct to your hand.

Sloth · #12 22-11-2013, 05:31 AM

Thanks all for the input.

I chickened out and tea-bagged with the straight-thru fc today after the mess the other day with the fireline. Resulted in the same number of bream caught though

Only chance to get out was over lunch at docklands .... midday with bright sunshine, never felt my chances were great. I didn't use a micro today and I definitely find a heavier vibe like a r2s baby vibe makes line management a lot easier than the micros.

Going to try casting out to see if I can straighten the fireline next time I give it a go and if no joy I'll just go a lighter line (and possibly braid).

Stephen Wilson · #13 22-11-2013, 06:21 AM

If you keep using it will soften and you wont have problems with coils
All fused braids need to be worked in so they soften up straight out of the box they always feel a little stiff keep using it. It will get better

vxcalais · #14 22-11-2013, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sloth

Thanks all for the input.

I chickened out and tea-bagged with the straight-thru fc today after the mess the other day with the fireline. Resulted in the same number of bream caught though

Only chance to get out was over lunch at docklands .... midday with bright sunshine, never felt my chances were great. I didn't use a micro today and I definitely find a heavier vibe like a r2s baby vibe makes line management a lot easier than the micros.

Going to try casting out to see if I can straighten the fireline next time I give it a go and if no joy I'll just go a lighter line (and possibly braid).

stick with the fireline. Even in 6lb when you hook those larger ones and the odd pinky around there you will be glad you had it. I also use Millenium Hot fibre 3 line in 6lb around there on my last outing and its great. Go to big W and get some Stren Lazer Braid for around $13 and see how it goes. If you want a better quality line I recently started using Varivas High Grade PE 0.8. I bought it for the docks and plastics fishing as it's a blue line black bite indicators. Delivered from online for under $30. I only used it at the nong so far and its great at casting and line management. Very strong, and strong knots.

Don't forget as well the Wind really channels at the docklands, and its not uncommon for the wind to lift the braid off your spool. Even braid to leader knots are a pain when tea baggin light lures and plastics, again there is no momentum and weight when pulling the line off, they get hung up. So eaither use really long leaders, or if Bream are up as they are now, short ones where the knot stops just before the spool. These are all personal things and everyone will have their own mannerisms.

vxcalais · #15 22-11-2013, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sloth

Thanks all for the input.

I chickened out and tea-bagged with the straight-thru fc today after the mess the other day with the fireline. Resulted in the same number of bream caught though

Only chance to get out was over lunch at docklands .... midday with bright sunshine, never felt my chances were great. I didn't use a micro today and I definitely find a heavier vibe like a r2s baby vibe makes line management a lot easier than the micros.

Going to try casting out to see if I can straighten the fireline next time I give it a go and if no joy I'll just go a lighter line (and possibly braid).

Stephen Wilson makes a great point, stick with the Fireline. Even in 6lb when you hook those larger ones and the odd pinky around there you will be glad you had it. I also use Millenium Hot fibre 3 line in 6lb around there on my last outing and its great. Go to big W and get some Stren Lazer Braid for around $13 and see how it goes. If you want a better quality line I recently started using Varivas High Grade PE 0.8. I bought it for the docks and plastics fishing as it's a blue line black bite indicators. Delivered from online for under $30. I only used it at the nong so far and its great at casting and line management. Very strong, and strong knots.

Don't forget as well the Wind really channels at the docklands, and its not uncommon for the wind to lift the braid off your spool. Even braid to leader knots are a pain when tea baggin light lures and plastics, again there is no momentum and weight when pulling the line off, they get hung up. So eaither use really long leaders, or if Bream are up as they are now, short ones where the knot stops just before the spool. These are all personal things and everyone will have their own mannerisms.