4lb fireline - 10lb fc rock albrigt knot problems

[Nugget]

Wondering if anyone uses this combo and what knot do they use? I was using the albright knot this morning but the leader kept breaking just under the knot. I presume the braid was cutting it??. I normaly use a 8lb mono leader and never have this problem. I tried using a double uni but the knots to big for my guides.

[vaporboy]

it sounds a lil strange but making sure you put a little saliva on any knots usually lubes it and stops it getting hot, fraying i dunno wat it does but it makes it a lot harder to break imo.

[-Pivot-]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Wondering if anyone uses this combo and what knot do they use? I was using the albright knot this morning but the leader kept breaking just under the knot. I presume the braid was cutting it??. I normaly use a 8lb mono leader and never have this problem. I tried using a double uni but the knots to big for my guides.

It happen's quite alot, usual with Sunline PE.

The best way that I have found is that when you twist the tag end around the mainline like normally, relap it when you go back down.

E.g. form a loop with the flouro/Mono and put the braid through the loop, twist it about 7/8 times upwards, then pinch it at the end. and twist it back downwards the same number of times.

It's hard to explain, but I tried my best.

It sometime can look ugly but its thin and just as strong, if not stronger then the standard Albright.

It's handy when you don't want to learn any other knots.

Also you could do a Kaneit, a mate taught me how to do it.

A Granny Knot (might have to put the tag end in twice or three times) it should form a figure '8' when you pull the 2 mainlines.

Thread the braid threw both of the holes in the figure '8', and then pull the tag end threw, do a uni knot and pull it tight.

- and it should work perfectly, if I explained it well enough..

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by -Pivot-

It happen's quite alot, usual with Sunline PE.

The best way that I have found is that when you twist the tag end around the mainline like normally, relap it when you go back down.

E.g. form a loop with the flouro/Mono and put the braid through the loop, twist it about 7/8 times upwards, then pinch it at the end. and twist it back downwards the same number of times.

It's hard to explain, but I tried my best.

It sometime can look ugly but its thin and just as strong, if not stronger then the standard Albright.

It's handy when you don't want to learn any other knots.

Also you could do a Kaneit, a mate taught me how to do it.

A Granny Knot (might have to put the tag end in twice or three times) it should form a figure '8' when you pull the 2 mainlines.

Thread the braid threw both of the holes in the figure '8', and then pull the tag end threw, do a uni knot and pull it tight.

- and it should work perfectly, if I explained it well enough..

Thats how i tie my albrights anyway. Make a loop with the fluro poke the braid threw it. twist it 6-7 times then twist it back down the opposite way. Never had a problem with it untill this morning happend three times to me.

I always lubricate my knots also.

[-Pivot-]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Thats how i tie my albrights anyway. Make a loop with the fluro poke the braid threw it. twist it 6-7 times then twist it back down the opposite way. Never had a problem with it untill this morning happend three times to me.

I always lubricate my knots also.

Oh

I normally don't twist back down unless the knot pulls threw a few times.

Should have a look at the Slim Beauty or Kaneit.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by -Pivot-

Oh

I normally don't twist back down unless the knot pulls threw a few times.

Should have a look at the Slim Beauty or Kaneit.

yeah i think i might look into the slim beauty, Ive never tried not going down again how does this knot hold up? still super strong?. I might try it next time as its hard to tie if its a bit windy.


Just looked up the slim beauty looks a bit easier then i remember. Will give it a go later

[-Pivot-]

Originally Posted by Nugget

yeah i think i might look into the slim beauty, Ive never tried not going down again how does this knot hold up? still super strong?. I might try it next time as its hard to tie if its a bit windy.

Not sure about the Slim Beauty, from what I have been told its like a Kaneit.

But you do an Albright instead of a Uni knot at the end.

(After you crossed through the figure '8' Granny knot.)

My mate swears by the Slim Beauty but says the Kaneit is a smidge better when using heavier lines.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by -Pivot-

Not sure about the Slim Beauty, from what I have been told its like a Kaneit.

But you do an Albright instead of a Uni knot at the end.

(After you crossed through the figure '8' Granny knot.)

I ment going down back down on the albright sorry :P.

[The G factor]

because your using a 10lb leader, is the leader hitting the guides on the way out? Even if its just the tag end hitting the leader, it could be doing a world of damage to the knot.

Have you tried downgrading the leader with the particular rod your using to see if it makes a difference?

[nuzzy]

the problem is your trying to go too heavy with your leader compared to the breaking strain of your main line. the 4 lb fireline breaks at between 9 - 11 lbs un-knotted depending on how old it is while the leader will break at 11 lbs knotted. there are 3 ways around this, 1, to either double your main line into the knot with a loop or something similar, 2, reduce your leader back down to 8 lbs or 3, increase your main line to 5 or 6 lbs.

another thing is that fluro is much thicker than its mono cousin and also breaks over its breaking strain by a lb or 2 when knotted to you should be able to get away with using 8 lb fc rock and have more abrasion resistance and strength than the 8 lb mono.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by nuzzy

the problem is your trying to go too heavy with your leader compared to the breaking strain of your main line. the 4 lb fireline breaks at between 9 - 11 lbs un-knotted depending on how old it is while the leader will break at 11 lbs knotted. there are 3 ways around this, 1, to either double your main line into the knot with a loop or something similar, 2, reduce your leader back down to 8 lbs or 3, increase your main line to 5 or 6 lbs.

another thing is that fluro is much thicker than its mono cousin and also breaks over its breaking strain by a lb or 2 when knotted to you should be able to get away with using 8 lb fc rock and have more abrasion resistance and strength than the 8 lb mono.

Thanks for the reply, this is what i thought may of been happening, I have considered getting the 8lb fc rock, but trying to use my mono up as i had some left over, I mainly use the 10lb when chasing flatties.

Is it possible to double the braid up in a albright knot? I can picture it in my head but not sure if it would work. I will give it a whirl later on.

[grichards]

i pretty much get this happening every now n then with the leader breaking just at the knot thru the fluoro(braid + knot still visible). I mainly use the 7turn surgeons knot and dont go too heavy. 4lb braid with a max 8lb otherwise the knot bangs thru the guides when casting. My suggestion is stay with what works. Cheers Gav.

[Chamelion]

Forget the slim beauty.. I've been tying that knot since I started using braid and with a 4-6lb main the line breaks near the knot far too easily with 4lb leader.

Tried a double uni?

[chris268]

Originally Posted by -Pivot-

Oh

I normally don't twist back down unless the knot pulls threw a few times.

Should have a look at the Slim Beauty or Kaneit.

If you twist it both directions, that's the improved albright knot isn't it? I use the albright with my fins, fireline and power pro. Improved Albright with sunline super pe otherwise it just slides through

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by Chamelion

Forget the slim beauty.. I've been tying that knot since I started using braid and with a 4-6lb main the line breaks near the knot far too easily with 4lb leader.

Tried a double uni?

double uni works fine but it hits my guides and casting distance is reduced dramatically