Unhappy Daiwa owner

[Salmo]

Have been a loyal Daiwa owner for many years, but recent events have me scratching my head about misleading advertising particularly their sealed CRBB (Corrosive Resistant Ball Bearing)

I will point out I own lots of Daiwa reels which have stood up to my rough fishing including Capricorns (x 3) , BG40, BG 60, G9, Sealine 450H, Sealine SL-D, and a Millionaire CV-Z …I’m not rich enough to own a Saltiga, but I would love to have one…

My DohDohDohDohDoh is that currently Daiwa are advertising that Capricorn A’s suit our fishing conditions (98% salt) and have these great little sealed CRBB which last longer than other SS bearings….bull dust…the picture they use in their advertising is clearly deceiving in that it shows the bearing themselves are contained within a sealed cone/collar. Take the handle off your Capy and look inside…what do you see…why uncovered little ball bearings….misleading stuff if you ask me…

Now the reason for my DohDohDohDohDoh here is that I recently (early August) brought another Capricorn 2500 for medium spin work, which I used up north. We camped for 6 nights rough… with fresh water just to drink and cook with, so the reel didn’t get a wash every night, she had to wait till our return to civilization.

Anyway got home and washed every thing down, oiled and polished the new capy for use next time….
Next time was 2 weeks ago…but the reel had developed a slightly sorry sound ..took it back to the crew that sold it to me for a service, and was told they would have to send it to Daiwa (fair enough) just in case it needed a new bearing.

I just received word its back…and it will be $92 dollars all up including freight. Well you could say I was slightly peived off. Specially considering its still under warranty.


Internationally Daiwa advertises Capricorns as FRESH WATER reels….not salt….

I will be writing a letter to Daiwa Australia voicing my disappointment at the misleading advertising and poor service….I will update this thread with any reply they send back.

In the mean time was interested to know if anyone else have had trouble with Capricorns (normally couldnt fault them…great reel)

[Piscineidiot]

Uh...I can't say I've had any undue problems with my cappy 1500. It's quite old now, got it second hand something like a year or so ago. The only problem I ever had was the line roller bearing rusting up and making a horrific noise under pressure. That was of course due to my poor maintenance, but I got that fixed for free. Not via warranty or anything of course, well, not formally...ahem...

[Richo]

Get into them Salmo

[rabbitoh]

My last reel was a shimano symetre 1500 and its the ducks nuts!, great reel for 140$ and ive never washed it, just a wipe down and a few drops of oil on roller ect, and its got a 10 year warranty.

[Pelagic]

G'day Salmo,

Good that you are honest about the way you use the reel. I am interested to hear from you as to what Daiwa is charging you for.

Warranty only covers faulty components etc, it won't cover if you use it the way it isn't designed for...ie queenies and GT's. Of course if you do use the 2500 Capy to catch big fish then the drag and some of the components will be stressed to the max and that's not healthy.

I also own a Capy 2500, and interested to know what sort of fish (including species and weight) you've caught with it and how many on your recent trip.

I also owns a pair of Certate 2000 - I love 'em.

Please keep us posted on this issue.

Cheers.

[Brad Y]

As ive said in a few posts my cappy 1500 has been used on pelagic type fish that really nailed the drag hard.

I fished it in full salt water for two weeks solid and it has no rust on it at all. To make more of a point it wasnt washed for a month or so after i got back. Maybe it was a faulty bearing? Still them hitting you up for repairs is pretty lame. A bit of bad publicity wont be good for them so hopefully things come good for ya

[Salmo]

Thanks for the comments guys, but don’t get me wrong Brad ...its not bad publicist for Daiwa I’m pitching here, love my Daiwa gear…normally can’t fault it...

Just that I feel maybe the distributor should be up front and say “hey these Capricorns are sweet water reels�

I will dig out the 2005 Catalogue tonight and scan tomorrow, you can make your own mind up about SS CRBB….

[Brad Y]

Originally posted by Salmo
Thanks for the comments guys, but don’t get me wrong Brad ...its not bad publicist for Daiwa I’m pitching here, love my Daiwa gear…normally can’t fault it...

Sorry mate i worded that badly
I cant fault my reel or rods either and i sure like hell dont mean to blame daiwa. Remember the days reels could be used for any conditions? I guess we expect alot out of a gear these days so they are coming out with reels that suit different types of fishing conditions... Let us know how you get on

Cheers

[Shortlite]

Gotta be careful with your maintenance these days, or you will get hit for work that needn't be done.

Owen and I found out (the hard way) that those nasty noises always start in the line roller. It's the bearing closest to line and salt, so it cops it big style. Owen got his replaced, but my little Cardinal will have to wait for a visit to a bearing shop to try and match the bearing. The line roller also can get grooved when the roller bearing siezes up, contributing to more noise.

$92 sounds like they replaced something major, like your roller bearing. This almost never gets messed up, as its very central and well shielded. You may have been gipped. Where was the noise coming from?

Now the CRBB's are just stainless steel BB's with different alloying characteristics to make them more corrosion resistant. In this regard they are pretty good to their word. I'm pretty sure a sealed/shielded bearing is a low maintenance part, whereas reel bearings get cleaned and relubed at least once every couple of months. The shield is only to hold lubrication and prevent solid particles from entering the bearing. It will still let salt water in.

Just my 2c worth. I have gotten into the habit of being able to strip down and service my reel myself. Easily done with slightly cheaper reels.

Ted..