Duel Armored F+ - PE x Fluorocarbon Hybrid Line

[The Doctor]

Hi gents,

I received the Duel Armored F+ in PE 1.0 I ordered from Japan today.

The line is basically a PE Fluorocarbon Hybrid - PE filament (not sure if it is braided or fused) with fluorocarbon resin. Texture is similar to Fireline, i.e. stiffer than PE, except the surface is as smooth as monofilament.

I bought this line to see if it reduces my wind knot problem. Duel claims this line is 15% stronger, 5 times better in abrasion resistance, can cast 10% further and 2 times as less stretchy when compared to normal PE. We will see if it is as good as they claim.

Just thought to share with you guys, maybe it is an answer to some of you who are looking for an alternative. I think they offer from PE 0.1 to 1.0 in the Armored F+ range.

[Rayman]

Yeah let us know how it goes. The videos show it to be a little wiry with some memory.

[The Doctor]

Originally Posted by Rayman

Yeah let us know how it goes. The videos show it to be a little wiry with some memory.

It does have some memory. I will try it out this weekend and post up my thoughts on it.

[Rayman]

How'd you go Doc?
Picked some up whilst I was in Japan, but will be a while before I get to use it.
Your thoughts?

[laddercat]

Would also live some feedback this would make perfect LBG spinning line

[The Doctor]

Originally Posted by Rayman

How'd you go Doc?
Picked some up whilst I was in Japan, but won't be a while until I get to use it.
Your thoughts?

Hi Raymond. I think it is a decent line (I use the PE 0.8 and PE 1). It is similar to Fireline but better in almost every aspect - round-ish profile, super smooth coating, excellent colour retention. I get mine from Rakuten, so the price is pretty good, too.

[The Doctor]

Originally Posted by laddercat

perfect LBG spinning line

Armored F + is only available from PE 0.1 (yes, 0.1, so they claim) to PE 1, so obviously it is a light to medium line range. I hope your LBG is not the hardcore big game type

And no, it is not without faults.

[laddercat]

Originally Posted by The Doctor

Armored F + is only available from PE 0.1 (yes, 0.1, so they claim) to PE 1, so obviously it is a light to medium line range. I hope your LBG is not the hardcore big game type

And no, it is not without faults.

according to their website it now comes in 9kilo at 0.18mm so a little under PE2 so for simplicity lets say its 20lb braid with the abrasion resitance of mono. Considering alot of LBG is fought at relatively low drag ( heroes claiming they fight stand up with 15 kilo plus drag are idiots ) I could spool around 400m on a 4000 spool with 8 kilo drag. Pretty interesting possibility, my only issue is castability does it cast like braid ?

Also their 9 kilo breaking strain is no doubt understated ir probably breaks around 11 as per industry trend to underestimate.

[The Doctor]

Originally Posted by laddercat

according to their website it now comes in 9kilo at 0.18mm so a little under PE2

PE2 is roughly 0.24 mm in thickness - 0.18 mm is around PE1. And TRUST me, I have used a few spools of PE1, it is no way near PE2.

Originally Posted by laddercat

so for simplicity lets say its 20lb braid with the abrasion resitance of mono.

Firstly, it is not a braided line; secondly, 4 spools later, I can tell you there is no way its abrasion resistance can match that of mono in same thickness.

Originally Posted by laddercat

Considering alot of LBG is fought at relatively low drag ( heroes claiming they fight stand up with 15 kilo plus drag are idiots ) I could spool around 400m on a 4000 spool with 8 kilo drag.

The F+ only comes in 200 m max. Are you planning to pack two spools of 200 m onto a reel? What exactly are you fishing that needs 400 m of PE 1?

Originally Posted by laddercat

my only issue is castability does it cast like braid ?

I think it casts very well and I found it is less prone to wind knots than thin, soft PE lines.

Originally Posted by laddercat

Also their 9 kilo breaking strain is no doubt understated ir probably breaks around 11 as per industry trend to underestimate.

I doubt your no doubt.

[Rayman]

Thanks Doc. So if it came to a final verdict, would you recommend it?

[The Doctor]

Originally Posted by Rayman

Thanks Doc. So if it came to a final verdict, would you recommend it?

No problem, Raymond. Yeah I do, I love using this line - but that's just me, based on my experience with the PE 0.8 and PE 1.

I think if you don't mind Fireline, Nanofil, or Duel Super Smooth, you would like the Armored F+.

[laddercat]

Longtail is the reason for big spool size and spanish.

Really dont need that high of a breaking strain for these two ( clean fighting etc ) not in my experience. 40 60 80 lb braid people use is never utilised accept on monster size kings ( the poundage is for abrasion resistance ).
Your either going to have a fish that fights clean and you have the capacity roughly 400m. Or your going to have some beast which bricks you in the reef in the first 5 seconds.

" i had 80lb braid and a stella 30000 and it broke me off after a huge run" has little to do with drag pressure or breaking strain and alot more to do with Reef rocks and knots.

(i should add there are exceptions to the rule monster YF and beakies) can of course fight clean and still be unstoppable on crazy heavy tackle.

[The Doctor]

Originally Posted by laddercat

Longtail is the reason for big spool size and spanish.

Really dont need that high of a breaking strain for these two ( clean fighting etc ) not in my experience. 40 60 80 lb braid people use is never utilised accept on monster size kings ( the poundage is for abrasion resistance ).
Your either going to have a fish that fights clean and you have the capacity roughly 400m. Or your going to have some beast which bricks you in the reef in the first 5 seconds.

" i had 80lb braid and a stella 30000 and it broke me off after a huge run" has little to do with drag pressure or breaking strain and alot more to do with Reef rocks and knots.

(i should add there are exceptions to the rule monster YF and beakies) can of course fight clean and still be unstoppable on crazy heavy tackle.

Thanks for the lecture but if I were you I'd try to figure out whether connecting the two spools of 200 m line to make it 400 m is a good idea. Whatever you decide to do with it, good luck with it. Now let's try to stick to the topic. Look forward to your review of this line - I'm sure there are others out there who would like to give it a try.

[aquaholik]

Can you post the link from rakuten.com. I'm in the USA and can't find it on the rakuten.com website when I type ie Duel Armored line.

[MiSCrEANT]

http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/a...4940764478720/