Bass Hard troubles

[Nugget]

I have tried slim beauty, double uni, Albright and doubling up the braid for the Albright

The line keeps snapping at the knot or roughly 5cm up. I am trying to tie 4lb bass hard to 6lb nitlon leader.

I think I'm too use to fireline/power pro thickness

[basscada]

nugget,i had a similar problem a while back when using super pe with 10pd leader. Trust your knots and let the drag/rod do what its designed for.
It will work if you are tying the knot properly

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by basscada

nugget,i had a similar problem a while back when using super pe with 10pd leader. Trust your knots and let the drag/rod do what its designed for.
It will work if you are tying the knot properly

I was starting thinking that, I am starting to put a fair bit of pressure on them now but I can still break it with my hands after 5 - 10 seconds.

[Nugget]

I tried 8lb mono and 4lb fc rock same result. I couldn't do a slim in the 4lb as the figure 8 got way to small for me. Going
To try some 6lb fc rock as I need some more 6lb soon anyway.

I must be putting a few kgs of pressure on the knot anyway as my hands are sore I tried a power pro knot and couldn't budge it at all using a Albright.

[nuzzy]

Originally Posted by Nugget

I must be putting a few kgs of pressure on the knot anyway as my hands are sore I tried a power pro knot and couldn't budge it at all using a Albright.

you would be surprised how little pressure you are putting on the line when pulling the knot between your hands, my guess is that it is just over a kilo of pressure.

your probably saying thats impossible but get some of that 6lb line and tie it to a full 2 litre milk bottle and try to lift it, you will hurt your hands before you get it off the ground because the line is so fine so you cant put that much pressure on it.

if you are moving from a fireline type line to a true PE line like basshard then likely the only problem is that you have to increase your wraps of the braid to offset the finer diameter of the line. JMO and HTH.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by nuzzy

you would be surprised how little pressure you are putting on the line when pulling the knot between your hands, my guess is that it is just over a kilo of pressure.

your probably saying thats impossible but get some of that 6lb line and tie it to a full 2 litre milk bottle and try to lift it, you will hurt your hands before you get it off the ground because the line is so fine so you cant put that much pressure on it.

if you are moving from a fireline type line to a true PE line like basshard then likely the only problem is that you have to increase your wraps of the braid to offset the finer diameter of the line. JMO and HTH.

You gave me a great idea I can test the knot on a milk bottle. I have changed my wraps from 6 up 5 down to 7 up 7 down. Maybe I need to go 8 and 8?

[smokindrags]

possible try doublling your main line to help the line cut into the knot
as it locks up

[The G factor]

i may have missed it as i was skimming through the comments, but there is one big problem with what you said.

You mention it breaks at the knot OR 5CM UP.

Is that 5cm up the braid or the leader?

If it is not breaking at the knot then there is no point changing knots or trying to make a stronger knot if the braid is breaking or the leader is breaking. It means something is wrong with the lines.

Ive had a few spools of sunline rockfish PE do this to me and I dont use it anymore as a result, the braid would keep snapping, not the knot. Ive had castaway do this as well. The only sunline braid that hasnt failed has been sunline super PE.

Ive never had an issue with basshard though.

But yeah, is the braid snapping above the knot or is the leader snapping below the knot?

[Paps]

I do 12 up and 10 down on a slim beauty using Sunline Super PE.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Paps

I do 12 up and 10 down on a slim beauty using Sunline Super PE.

Sounds about right.

[joeking]

Originally Posted by The G factor

i may have missed it as i was skimming through the comments, but there is one big problem with what you said.

You mention it breaks at the knot OR 5CM UP.

Is that 5cm up the braid or the leader?

If it is not breaking at the knot then there is no point changing knots or trying to make a stronger knot if the braid is breaking or the leader is breaking. It means something is wrong with the lines.

Ive had a few spools of sunline rockfish PE do this to me and I dont use it anymore as a result, the braid would keep snapping, not the knot. Ive had castaway do this as well. The only sunline braid that hasnt failed has been sunline super PE.

Ive never had an issue with basshard though.

But yeah, is the braid snapping above the knot or is the leader snapping below the knot?

Your dead right there G, if the line is snapping above the knot its something to do with the line, not the knots.

I have seen and heard a few of the lighter pe's can get weak spots randomly throughout the spool, for that reason I won't use light bass hard, light frog pe or 6lb super pe, not worth spending money on line that you cannot trust.

[Nugget]

I was not cutting my tag ends confusing me. It breaks on the knot everytime. It is snapping on the braid side. Going
To test a few other lines tonight see what I can work out. I'll try the 12 up 10 down.

[kakaryan]

IMO for using light PE you need to wash it quite often. I know some people would wash it after every session but I dont have that time. I wash it around once a month or two.

For wash I mean spooling all the line out on a plastic line spool or an old alvey reel, put it into warm fresh water soak it for hours, rinse it, let it dry then spool it back on the reel. This is the only way for getting salt out.

People usually just give the reel a light rinse but the salt is still there. Sometimes when u are tying knots you may need your mouth for a help, u can taste the pe is salty.

[kakaryan]

Originally Posted by Nugget

I was not cutting my tag ends confusing me. It breaks on the knot everytime. It is snapping on the braid side. Going
To test a few other lines tonight see what I can work out. I'll try the 12 up 10 down.

Also many japanese true pe break around its stated rating, while the other like powepro/fireline break well over. So you tie 4lb pe to 6lb leader and it breaks on the knot on the braid side seems reasonable to me.

The knots you are using maybe only have 65% strength at max. (according to sport fishing, slim beauty = 65%) So a 4lb x 65% is just around 2-3lb.

I had the same issue when tying 6lb TD sensor. When tying to 5lb sunline v hard leader it breaks at the leader (of course), but when tying to 8lb it snaps on the braid side on the knot. I was using the Daiwa recommended interline rod knot which is also not very strong, so when I tie a heavier leader the the knot on the leader cuts the thin pe itself.

The solution is to use a knot which has no knot on the leader ---> FC knot. The pe is just wrapping the leader, where there is no leader knot that can cut the pe, or knot decreases the overall strength. If tie correctly FC knot can have 100% strength. After I switched to FC and tying the same 6lb pe to 8lb leader it wont break at the knot, but breaks on the leader, considering a 6lb TD sensor can actually load up to 10lb. Big difference.

[Nugget]

When I got home today I tied my Albright in my power pro, basshard and fireline. I found that I can break all my knots with my hand with some pressure. I have alot of confidence in my powerpro so this must be pretty normal as I have caught plenty using the same knot.

I tied a 12 up and 12 down on the basshard and it held extremely well I ended up needing to get some socks to break it and I ended up breaking the braid 15cm up. I tied the knot again and it broke at the knot.

I think I'm just having a confidence thing now. The drag should take the pressure of the knot. I'll have to test it on the weekenD and see how it pans out.