Help New Certate or Steez

[qbkami]

Hi guys,
Im looking for some expert advice on choosing my next reel, Ive had a Browning Spin Reel that Ive had from buying a Magazine for about 3 years now and still going good though I want a upgrade to begin my breaming angling. Im a big fan of Daiwa and would like to hopefully get a New Certate or a Steez spin reel.

Help needed picking the right model and which spin reel would be good/better overall (performance + price).
Ive seen in previous threads that it is worth getting the 2506 New Certate then the other models. Small spool size but not to small and has a extra 1kg drag rate compared to the 1003.
( p.s. Something I'd like to know, why is that the New Certate costs less then the old one?! )
Im choosing 2508 out of the Steez because of the decent spool size and has the drag of 7kg and still very light.

From my perspective I see the New Certate being a good bream reel and more dedicated to the specie, as well as having the high technology stuff i see it being a bit more aesthetically pleasing to the eyes compared to the Steez. The Steez being a competitor having a noticeable drag weight difference and a bigger spool but not too big of a spool thus it can be for bream and bigger specie, it is also feather light and has an extra 2 ball bearings. New Certate is awesome though thinking if the price difference(brand new reels) of approx $350 is it worth getting the Steez with the increase drag weight, overall weight, spool size and two extra bearings???

My limited knowledge has brought me to this situation and hoping that some expert advice you bring me to a conclusion...

Thanks guys,
Qbkami

[Breamingwithjoy]

Originally Posted by qbkami

is it worth getting the Steez with the increase drag weight, overall weight, spool size and two extra bearings???

In my opinion, no. Not worth the extra $350 to get the Steez. Don't get me wrong the steez it blooody awesome but is it $350 more awesome, I don't think so. Happy for people to correct me on this, but I think the steez was designed as a freshwater reel and will need to be looked after exceptionally to keep it in mint condition after being used for breaming. The certate with it's new wizzbang magseal and air rotor will demand less attention to keep in top nick.

I have the 2506 and would grab another if I needed another breaming reel and I had to choose between it and the Steez. The 7kg of drag is a bit OTT from breaming and I doubt any of the Steez owners on the forum have needed to lock the drag up on a bream.

The certate 2506 will handle larger fish no worries and bream won't have it breaking a sweat. I reckon save the $350 and go and get a nice new rod or a puttload of lures and try and get your new Certate screaming.

I would go for the steez 2508, it is lighter. Certate is a tougher reel, but you don’t need a tough reel for bream. The steez is lightweight, witch will feel better on a lighter rod.

[Meh?]

I don't think the Steez isnt an extra an $350
http://www.DohDohDohDohDohDohDohDoh.com.au/index.cfm...product_id=683

And that's Australian prices o/s would likely be cheaper.

[smokindrags]

steez reels are saltwater friendly

personally i am not 100% sure on all new technology or should i say series 1 things
the mag seal stuff in the new certates for example.

but either reel sounds fine
not actually using a certate10 i couldn,t give you a answer.

probably pick a steez 2508 up only $150 more over a certate 10

[__MATT__]

Dont worry about weight, im personally yet to pick up a rod that is balanced properly with a sub 200g reel unless butt weights have been fitted aftermarket (this said I'm yet to fish a norries or evergreen).

Save the cash. Both have same gearing. A couple bearings might makethe steez a tiny bit smoother but wont stop it from getting loose, which personally annoys me a lot more than 'smoothness'. People still run steezes into the ground on bream. Keep the certate in good nic, service it reguarly and it should last you quite a while.

[Breamingwithjoy]

Actually scap everything I have said... Seriously have a look at a rod first. Decide on the rod and then pick a reel that balances it. There is a massive weight difference (35g) in the two reels.

For example, if I put a 195gram reel on my rod the thing would be uncomfortably tip heavy. With the certate the thing is tollerable. On the other hand a steez will balance perfectly with another rod but the certate would be too heavy.

I would however recommend the certate if you are looking for a reel that can handle most things well and still handle not being wiped down after each trip.

I should mention I own a 2010 certate, do not own a steez but have fished with them and exists (arguable the saltwater version) and reckon the certate is awesome.

You won't be disappointed with either reel though as they are both great.

[StuKlose]

qbkami

Just remember that the reel only releases and gathers the line, the rod is far more important. Make sure you have a rod you are happy with before chossing your reel then match a reel to the rod.

My personal opinion is that any 2500 sized spool is too big for a bream rod as you don't need strong drags and large amounts of line to be successful. Although if you want a reel that is used for a range of tasks then a 2500 maybe a good compromise.

Either of those two reel models will do the job well. Just think that you could have 2 Certates for a little more than the cost of an exist.

Stu

[__MATT__]

If you haven't decided on a rod yet then this is definitely the priority. Makes way more difference to your fishing.

As far as the 2000 vs 2500 choice though, I personally really prefer the daiwa 2500's to 2000's for breamming.

Annoying to get used to for crankbaits coming from fishing 2000's, but awesome for plastics work. Higher line recovery per crank = less fish lost to snags, and you can leave that belly of slack line with a bit more confidence that if a fish takes it on the drop you can recover line quick enough to set hooks. This has meant two main benefits for me;

1. I miss less fish on quick takes where they nip at a lure on the drop before spitting it out, beause I can crank that extra 10 odd cm of line per crank (adds up to quite a bit some times) and set the hooks with more force.

2. Because I'm more confident missing less takes, I can leave more of a belly in the line meaning the lure can fall tighter down the face of structure (pilons, wharves, fallen mangroves, pontoons etc) be in the strike zone longer and this means more hits.

The lower retrieval speed than other brands of reels also means that despite the higher line recovery per crank of the handle compared to a 2000, they still feel 'airy,' i.e not as heavily geared as a shimano.

Also 2500's just seem to deal with tougher fishing better, and feel better (tighter/smoother) for longer. From my experience the 2000's get thrashed easier and you just seem to be asking less of a 2500 to do the same task.

Not meaning to start arguments of 2000 vs 2500, daiwa vs shimano etc but that is my thought behind what I'm fishing with at the moment and hopefully it helps.

[StuKlose]

Interesting thoughts Matt.

I actually only use 1000 size reels now after having used both 2000 and 2500 purely because they are more comfortable when fishing for 7 hours plus.

You can also get reels with different retrieve ratios e.g. Sustain 1000 = 6.0:1 74cm per turn, Soare 1000 = 4.3:1 53cm per turn where as any of the Certate 2500 sized reels retrieve 71cm per turn so there are options.

qbkami its hard to go wrong with any reel over $200 if you look after it. Just choose a reel you like and are happy with and just be aware of the hype around high end reels and the big companies marketing power.

My opinion is that you will be more happy with a high quality rod than you will be with a high quality reel.

Stu

[__MATT__]

Originally Posted by StuKlose

Interesting thoughts Matt.

qbkami its hard to go wrong with any reel over $200 if you look after it. Just choose a reel you like and are happy with and just be aware of the hype around high end reels and the big companies marketing power.

My opinion is that you will be more happy with a high quality rod than you will be with a high quality reel.

Stu

100% agree.

just get a stradic c14 or two, they are the ducks nuts!!

[Shauno]

Dont worry about weight, im personally yet to pick up a rod that is balanced properly with a sub 200g reel unless butt weights have been fitted aftermarket (this said I'm yet to fish a norries or evergreen).

Bullsheet.....

My TSR's and 2508's and 2004's are sub 200g and both balance rediculously well.... In saying that, just put a 2506 certate on there and it still balances okay.

If you want the lightest feeling combo around check out the steez 2508 and steez rod... unbeleivably light to hold... sold a fair few at the shop and not one complaint, just mega positive comments...

Check out Ray and annes for cheap daiwa gear, cheapest in Oz.

www.rayannes.com.au

cheers Shauno

[__MATT__]

Forgot about those...

[BlackBreamer]

Get a Steez i own both reels, i have a Steez 2500 and a 2508 spool, casting difference between the 2500 and 2508?? Couldn't tell you, but in my opinion it makes no difference besides the 2500 holds way more line... I also have the new Certate 2500R lovely reel but very heavy and believe me when your flicking lures around hours on end it makes a huge difference, as Shauno says they match up well to other rods i run mine on the steez rod and it has perfect balance... I have also balanced it up on two custom rods i made and the steez is perfect.... Picture perfect reel for bream, i use mine for mulloway and it's seen lots, and remains silent and smooth...