Which would you prefer

[fatboy]

Just need a final conclusion

thanks all

[Shortlite]

I'd take the Twin Power. There's not too much between the two reels, apart from bearings, colour and price. At least if you're looking to spend that kind of money, then a TP and a spare spool will cost just a tad more than a Sustain.

[Blake.T.]

i'd go for the twinpower as well, have not haerd many bad reports from them.

Blake

[Dell]

twinpower hands down .... but i have read somewhere that line lay with braid can be a problem but the additional washers provided could help you out if the problem were to arise

[Superduperman]

I had a good think about both, but settled for the twinpower. the Sustain is a great reel, but a fairly old model, hasn't been updated much. the twinny however is fairly new, and uses shimanos latest technologies.

[fatboy]

The TP seems like the way im heading then.
But looking back on all these AFC's this year when some of the pros arent using their stellas i think they use sustains?? any reason why tim morgan and the rest of the pos arent using Tp's cause when they show shots of the rods i see onlu a couple of stellas and the rest are sustains if their a shimano man If TP's were better i thought they would be usiing them??? neways more help clearing this up would be much appreciated
Thanks all

[Dell]

Originally posted by fatboy
The TP seems like the way im heading then.
But looking back on all these AFC's this year when some of the pros arent using their stellas i think they use sustains?? any reason why tim morgan and the rest of the pos arent using Tp's cause when they show shots of the rods i see onlu a couple of stellas and the rest are sustains if their a shimano man If TP's were better i thought they would be usiing them??? neways more help clearing this up would be much appreciated
Thanks all

If the pros are using sustains outa all the reels availabe to them this must show that they're of high quality... no matter what reel you pick outa the 2 you'll be happy with how it performs.

[Superduperman]

Thats a good point. Maybe Shimano supplies them with only the two top end reels?

[kamikazeghost]

??? No, it's not because they are a cut above the rest. They have sponsorship.

If I have sponsorship by Shimano, I would have a clause written to say that I must use and promote Shimano products.

In fact, that's how it gets people to believe that they are the gun products.

Good reel yes....... best reel or superior to other reels on the market..... definitely not.

Time and time again, just like rods and plastics, I've shown people the wealth of the market and its natural gearing towards promotion selling.

So, just because say they all use say a particular plastic, that it's the gun plastic therefore you must by an ample supply? Of course not!

That's how they sell.

Between the two in this poll, if I had an option not to choose, I would say neither.

As I said....... good reels yes...... but not the reels I would recommend to someone.

[Shortlite]

All well and good Kamikazeghost, opinions are welcome, but there's more to be considered. Let's assume fatboy's done his research and homework and narrowed it down to those 2 reels.

I know Sustains and TP's and such are pretty costly, so saying these are at the upper budget limits, what would YOU recommend?

[kamikazeghost]

I'm not saying, they're not good reels, therefore don't buy. I'm just responding to an above statement which makes little sense and has little logic.

If your budget is limited, of course, your range is limited. If you're new to the game, then no point spending so much money on high end gear when you have little skills.

I've seen quite a number of people who've bought high end gear cos they've got the money yet have little idea how to use it although they say they do......

However, in response to this scenario, I'd save up that little more money to buy a better reel. It's only an extra week or two to wait.

[luke_H]

out of the two i would probably go the twinpower, however if given the the choice between all reels in the $250-$400 price range i would not be choosing either.
Dont want this turning into a shimano vs daiwa debate but personally i would choose a daiwa sol or even the cheaper tierra over both of these reels, if your dead set on shimano for some reason go the twinpower as sustains are just lousy in my opinion

[Bream Addict]

You can't be serious Luke? Saying you would choose a tierra over both of these reels is just ridiculous.Regardless of the brand of reel you use I believe you must give credit where credit is due, both the tp and sustain are high class reels, and you are just kidding yourself if you seriously think a tierra could compete with them.
I think if you were wanting to compare these reels to a daiwa a comparison between the tp/sustain and the luvias would be much more appropriate.

[luke_H]

theo
if you read my post i said "personally I WOULD CHOOSE a daiwa sol or even the cheaper tierra over both of these reels"
i first answered his question in saying that i would choose a twinpower over a sustain and then i added that if I WAS BUYING A REEL i wouldnt buy either, ive used a 1000 sustain and didnt find it to be anything like the price suggests and thats my opinion obviously not yours.
ive also handled a twinpower and found it to be a nice little reel and definately the better of the two, but IF I WAS BUYING i would still go for a daiwa and thats my preference.
il elaborate on what i meant to make it easier for you to understand
The tierra is $100 cheaper than a sustain and never did i say it was a better reel, i simply stated that i would save the cash and go for a reel that is IN MY OPINION almost as good and 3/4s of the price of the sustain.
Il stick to the fact that i believe sustains to be lousy for the money and old technology, its obvious that i expect more from a $350 reel than you do.
fatboy
Once again not wanting this to turn into a debate, i apologize for offering my opinion and inadvertently sidetracking your post, as some people fail to answer the question you asked and feel it necessary to go into a rant when others offer an opinion different to their own.
The twinpower is no doubt a quality reel and it seems you have already done your research and decided on shimano, so out of the reels you mentioned i once again state "go the twinpower"
As far as i can tell shimano seem to have eliminated some of their traditional faults in the new twinpower so im sure it will serve you well.
cheers
luke

[kamikazeghost]

Harry, sorry for the late response, but depending on where you are in the country, these shimano reels range from around the $250 mark. I've seen them up to $350.

If it was me, for the money you're going to pay for the lower end high end market reels, i'd save up the money to buy one of the TD reels, either the luvias or airity (considering the airity is a lot cheaper nowadays to make way for the new top line reels). Could consider extra saving for the Certate or Exist if you wish. I must admit, I'm a little disappointed with the Certates.

It's hard pressed at present to find better quality threadline reels than Daiwa at present.

Shimano have a great name and have so for so long that they've really stopped increasing their breadth of the threadline quality as they know they'll have their market share. The Stella hasn't changed since it came out many years ago. They're very good but well overpriced beyond its actual worth. And they have the same faults as many years ago. Shimano haven't changed much at all. Not even in their baitcasters really. More gadgets, more gimics, more wank value without substance, but admittedly of high quality especially it's Calais.

Daiwa on the other hand, used to have absolutely terrible quality reels which I would never even look at. Daiwa since the tournament scene has spread more (Japan, USA as always and Australia) have spent the time and effort in creating the highest quality threadline reels in the marketplace. However, they're not affordable for the general angler. It's baitcasters have come from the woodwork and now rival very strongly and more so with Shimano now than ever before. Why? Market and competition.

Shimano are smart. They have enough dollars for sponsorship, they've got in early, they've got the name, they have the players. And, considering they also know that Daiwa have the better quaility reels, but also know that in general, anglers cannot afford them so easily, they have 2-3 reels made especially at the low end of the high end market, which are of very good quality and affordable to the general market.

Business at strength and very good marketing gives the economic advantage to Shimano, but Daiwa is catching very, very quickly as the economic value increases per capita.

Thus, for me, I'm interested to see if Shimano will endeavour to catch Daiwa in the marketplace over the next few years. So far, it's not happening....... not even next year.

And Daiwa, now have even a similar set of highest quality reels coming out on the market over the next year or two. They've taken a leaf out of Shimano's book and improved on it by a wide margin.

It's like fireline crystal....... a new line, led to a new rave, which has led to a new fad! Must buy!? Why? God knows. It's new! Great, that it has 1lb........ but i prefer 2lb straight fluoro. unlike most anglers, I can feel the bites. I'm not de-sensitized from using fused or braided lines all the time as most anglers are.

Same, here....... he's using it therefore, I must get it cos it must be better....... that's how the marketplace is created and that's what's so inquisitive about sponsorship.

Interesting question I shall pose........ because in AFC some fish were caught on the Atomic 3" Prong, is it now the go to lure, cos they caught fish on it? Same philosophy. It works just like other plastics.....

It's your skills and experience, and learning which what most anglers should really concentrate on first and foremost.

Anyway, I apologise. I'm digressing.

Overall, if you're going to spend money on a high quality reel, you can buy the Sustain, Twinpower or Stradic; but preferrentially, save that little extra for a better reel if you're going to go that far into the high end market.