Spooling fluorocarbon

[fatboy]

I have decided to fill my spare twinpower 1000 spool up with 2lb fluorocarbon but im not sure which flurocarbon would be the best to use. i have looked all over this forum and others but have failed to come up with information on wats the best for SPOOLING. i would appreciate it if someone could plz point me in the direction of a very good fluorocarbon that would be suitable for spooling my spare spool.

Cheers all

[Superduperman]

make sure you dont get a stiff one, i find that he more expensive ones are stiffer, if you go cheaper and not 100% flurocarbon then it'll cast better...As per usual I'll recommend Yo-Zuri Hybrid, love the stuff! and it's very low vis due to it's part flurocarbon content.

[fats212]

I was recommended T.D. Diawa ADES. It has proven to be very good and casts beautifully. It is designed as a mainline rather than a leader.

Now I just have to get used to having stretch in the line again (its been ages since I used anything but braid).

[angler 3.55]

why are u thinking of changing to fluro

[fatboy]

Thanks for the replies so far guys.
Angler 3.55 im not fully changing to fluro but im just gona have my spare spool filled with fluro for the really finicky bream and for those times when you just need the extra stealth approach. Ive heard that many pros have had great success running straight fluro to the sp or hb with great success in those quiet times so i thought i might give it a go.

[bushido]

Check out Linesystem's All Bass it's 100% fluoro and made for spin reels. very supple.

Cheers Samurai

[fatboy]

Thanks samurai ill look into the linesystems all bass

[Rayman]

Like fats212, I have some T.D. ADES 3lb sitting at home waiting to be tested on my Luvias 2500 in a few weeks time after university exams are over.

I'll report on it soon after.

[Dell]

Just thought id bring this thread back up instead of starting a new one. I just wanna kno how many of the breammaster members actually fish fluorocarbon straight through cause im very interested in giving it a go.

[luke_H]

yamatoyo spinning flouro, its 100% flourocarbon but is alot more limp and seems to have much less memory than the other flourocarbons, fairly sure its supposed to be used as a mainline but i use it as leader

[Rayman]

As promised, here is a follow-up 'report' on the T.D. Ades 3lb fluorocarbon line.

I finally had a chance to break into the line (and my Luvias 2500) today on the Gold Coast. Apart from that, didn't have too much success other than scoring only a small bream and flathead landbased, both on the same 3" Berkley Gulp Fry (Pumpkinseed) paired with a TT Lures HWS jighead (1/40th ounce, #1/0).

=== About the line ===
I had first spooled my Luvias with the T.D. Ades line a week ago because I was planning to try it out a week ago - that didn't happen. Instead, I ended up testing the line today, so honestly, I was expecting some line memory. I didn't get any. It's a very supple/limp line that I could almost compare to PE woven lines (not the Fireline waxxy type). So I didn't feel like I was settling into something unfamiliar.

I had long lost the feeling of using fishing line with stretch, so my first few casts were getting a feel of how much the line stretches. I was surprised to actually feel a few touches that I didn't strike at (because I'm slow after having not fished for a while). Another cast in around the same spot landed me the small bream. The (lack of) sound of the line running through the guides was a welcome. The line handled the short-lived fight qute well.

A few fruitless casts later, the surface broke with a splash. Casted somewhere close to where it happened, I was rewarded with the small flathead's dead weight. I concluded that the splash must've been the flathead's meal that had narrowly escaped the bucket mouth. Again, the line handled flawlessly, even for a flathead's gills and teeth.

The wind started to pick up, and many more casts later, I had my first and last windknot for the day - easily picked out. I had concerns about weakening the line when the windknot was (you know, fluorocarbons and kinks), but I didn't catch another fish to test it out. Many more fruitless casts drew interest from another bream and flathead, but didn't convert to catches.

I know for sure that I missed a few strikes because of the line's stretch. Using braid, I always fish with a slack line, and watch for line movement - if the line moves, wait a second or two, then strike. I fish with the slack because I usually don't react fast enough, and the bream are always spooked by the sudden and immediate tension they feel when having a go at the lure if I don't have that slack for them to suck it in. Whereas today, when fishing with fluorocarbon, I was trying very hard to have a direct conncetion to my lure by taking out any wind/current bows in the line. Waiting for a few seconds after feeling a 'tick' ended up in fruitless strikes, whereas striking as soon as a felt the tick got me the two fish. I think the difference is that by the time I felt the 'tick' through the fluorocarbon, due to the stretch, the fish must've had it in its mouth for those crucial seconds before it spits it out again.

It terms of durability, some wear shows through slightly from one day's work, i.e., the line turns slightly milky from losing its once smooth surface. But this happens regardless of whether it's nylon or fluorocarbon. Another issue that might surface is another line problem: the line becoming more brittle with the in-water/out-of-water action, and UV degradation. But I'm confident nevertheless of its ability to continue performing.

=== So the conclusion ===
T.D. Ades line is a pretty good line, I damn like it. I can't recommend this over another FC line simply because I've never used another. As a line, just like any other non-PE/braid/gelspun line, there's going to be stretch. Learning to fish with this stretch is important to succeed. Fishing the 3lb throughout does things to your confidence as well - you're more confident that the bream will be fooled. And another reason to have a FC rig is because you never have to retie leaders when you're snagged.

Here are some support pics.

[Rayman]

The very nice line lay courtesy of Daiwa technology.

[Rayman]

A comparison of line diameters:
T.D. Ades 3lb (top)
vs.
Berkley Fireline 4lb (bottom)

[Rayman]

The details of this line:
http://www.daiwaseiko.co.jp/fishing/...ne/line08.html
and

[kamikazeghost]

I use 2lb Sunline Basic-FC straight through.

I started using fireline about 8-9yrs ago, but during my first year, someone told me to use 2lb to get sensitivity in my angling before hitting fireline. I did so and used it for about 1 1/2 yrs before going back to fireline.

The point of nearly all anglers of today will start using fireline or a braid. Thus, if you change to 2lb fluro, you're so de-sensitized to the feel, you either feel very little or feel nothing at all and thus requires you to watch your line more often than not.

Yes, fluro has stretch, HOWEVER, the stretch on a fish at the distance you're casting is close to negligible. Why? It's physics.

For one, the diameter of fluro against the diam of fireline is such that resistance in the water is so close to zero, it's not worth talking about. The weights of the line is so close you need a mircco-scale to weight or even a pico-scale to weigh the line, it's not worth carrying on about wind effect either.

The distance you cast is roughly 15m.... The poundage pressure per square cm that a fish strikes at its prey at the speed it strikes is greater than the speed at which your fluro will stretch at any given point in time through the centre of acceleration. As this is the case, although the bite is less to feel compared to no stretch, once you're used to the fluro, you'll feel it. Thus, it won't stretch to full limits before you can feel the bite as the limit of stretch on the strike is the inital acceleration which is proportionally less than no stretch, but...... with that..... you still feel.

Just that most anglers don't start with straight fluro, and turning to it now, makes sense that most anglers feel nothing or very little at all because of de-sensitization to "no stretch" lines.

Plus, it's a co-polymer line thus stretches less than mono which stretches more and there's a reason why beach tournament anglers use mono...... so fish don't feel the resistance!

I was told early in my years to increase my actual finesse angling skills to catch more fish....... start using 2lb fluro.

At the time I didn't understand, but I was that keen I followed and learnt........ I quickly realised the truth to this and thus ever since my catch rates and overall skills are great. When you're consistently averaging 20 bream on a really tough day, you know where you're at and you know where to improve.

Have been using fireline for at least the last 3yrs....... Felt I was losing some skills. Didn't like that. went back to 2lb earlier this year to sort myself out again. Now I feel better.

I was down Gold Coast not long ago and conditions weren't great at all. But I got a bag of 4.6kg. and caught 42 fish. The guy who wanted to learn managed 10. A good beginners day, considering things weren't easy. Biggest was 1.2kg and smallest 0.800kg in the 5 bag. Other fish went between 25-34 to the fork. The 5 bag was 36-44cm to the fork. All on 2lb straight fluro.

And that's not the only 30+ fish session this year either.