Drain salty water into the upper Blackwood

[TerryF]

Here you go trouty - one about the Blackwood River.

Proposals:- put salt water in the upper reaches, then take out the sources of the fresh water lower down which could have helped dilute it. (Yarragadee water proposals)

And fresh water isn't all used by homeowners in Perth - industry and agriculture are the biggest users by far and could save far more.

Good to see your local Shire President giving it the thumbs up!!!!

Any info about/from that Nannup meeting?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/items/200604/1614438.htm?wa

Farmers get qualified support for salt plan

Wednesday, 12 April 2006. 07:01 (AWST)

A group of farmers, in south-western Western Australia, has gained qualified support from shire councillors and politicians for its plan to drain salt from the wheatbelt into the Blackwood River.

The proposal by the Central Great Southern Land Recovery Committee involves draining salt into Lake Dumbleyung and releasing it through the Blackwood River into the ocean.

A feasibility study planned to begin last month has been delayed for six months while guidelines are finalised.

The south-west community heard details of the project for the first time last week at a public meeting in Nannup.

Nannup Shire president Barbara Dunnet says while the council has not formally discussed the project, she is personally satisfied it addresses environmental concerns.

"I think people need to probably find out for themselves, understand the proposal and if people don't ask the questions they can't give the answers. So that was their major commitment," she said.

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TerryF
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Beavering away in the background......

- I live in Yunderup and have already sold 2/3rds my farm on the banks of the Blackwood and have the balance on the market for the last 6 months Terry???

I don't want to be there when its an industrial waste sewer!

I could see the "writing on the wall" 6 years ago when I rezoned, and sub divided the land - underground power going in as I type!


Change is inevitable - you just have to be able to read the signals and stay one jump ahead!

Blackwood's already dead - a done deal, just haven't had the obits and funeral yet, is all!

Not that anyone here could give a round rats touche...
Whattaya think I was posting about all those years!

Why get concerned about it, after it's already over?

Just more proof Terry that all my submissions did nothing but help them justify they had 'consulted widely'

Just more proof that when I say to participate is to only encourage them, is born of experience!

Make the wise azz posts, when it's your home they are destroying fella! Just remember what goes round comes round Terry!

Cheers!

Where were you when the govt were doing this to the Lefroy Terry?

I was on the TV calling Judy Edwards an environmental vabndall!

I've given a good deal of my life to doing what I could for our southest Rivers and streams Terry!

I find your post and demeanour personaly insulting!

Nothing new in that - did I detect a glint of glee in you eye as you posted about the death of our longest southwest river??

Your a class act Terry no dout about that!

A pox on all their houses I say!
I hope the Waggyle gets em all!

Cheers!

[Fishtale]

Hi trouty,

just viewed the picture you posted of the pipe going up the middle of that Stream.......mate what can I say...

How could they let that happen.....?

I'm stunned...glad I've seen none of that in tassy

[TerryF]

Trouty.

You have read a lot into a simple post. It wasn't intended to be insulting, but if you do find any of it insulting for any reason, then I apologise.

Here's why I added your name to the post.

trouty in http://www.breammaster.com/forum/sho...5&pagenumber=2 11-04-2006 02:34 PM
My property borders the Blackwood river.....

Thought that, and your posts about the Blackwood over the years, might mean you had an interest in the Blackwood. Now we all know different.

Any glint which might have been in my eye was about a Shire President who says even though "...the council has not formally discussed the project, she is personally satisfied it addresses environmental concerns" and "I think people need to probably find out for themselves....."

On the surface that looked like a very poor approach to representing the electors and looking after the environment, and left her open to the sorts of criticisms that get heaped on people who make statements like that.

But then I thought there might have been more info given out at the meeting in Nannup, so asked if you had any info about that.

That's trying to get some facts from a person who might know something and share it.

Does anyone else know what happened at that meeting in Nannup?

TerryF
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Beavering away in the background......

Yes Sorry Terry, very late long day and very tired!

I'd suggest to you that probably no one cares more about the Blackwood than me!

That said I know when I'm beat - theres bugger all I can do if no one else in this state cares about the future of the Blackwood but me!

I'm VERY VERY dissapointed in Barbara Dunnet whom I've known personally for many years!

She opposed loudly the Yarragadee - and was part of a 4 shire consotium to ty and thwart it who al got shafted by Labor!

I suspect she has ger reasons for endorsing this latest proposal!

She opposed Yarragadee loudly (like myself) and no one else in the state gave a rats arse!

Why should she (or I) waste any more of our valuable personal time protesting the salt drain scheme - like the Yarragadee pumping it's a done deal and no one else but us cares anyway so why bother!

I styrongly suspect that Barbara's decision to say what she has may be intended to get people up in arms enough to actually care and do something!

I wasn't at the meeting - while I still own land there, I don't live there anymore!

I don't want to be present to witness the death of a river I loved probably more than anyone else here!!

It saddens me to the point, I'm VERY angry (unhealthily angry, unpredictably angry) and pizzed off to the point I wanna shoot some pr!ck! (At the moment any pr!ck would do!).

No one cares more about the Blackwood than me - I'm at the point dynamite down the bore holes is looking like a good option!

So - yes you got a reaction - I hope your happy - had ya been here it woulda been a mouth fulla busted teeth I'm that angry!

Gimme a couple days maybe 'll settle down - right now - is NOT a good time.

Mess with my river & ya risk death, simple as that!

Cheers!

[TerryF]

Email just received as below:-

Yes, it's from the Conservation Council and some people might think they are opposed to some things recreational anglers want or have a very different agenda.

I am just the messenger. No comments (yet) on whether this is worth the time or money, except:-

Sometimes the objectives coincide for some things like taking this water, and it's worth working together, or at least listening, to counter the "divide and conquer" approach used by the Government and authorities.
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The Conservation Council of WA invites you to a Public Forum

Tap the Yarragadee?

The Water Corporation say they are running out of water for Perth. Dams aren’t filling up, and groundwater near Perth is being over-exploited. The next source is the deep groundwater of the south west near Nannup.

45 thousand million litres of fresh water will be pumped to Perth each year.

The impacts from this proposal will affect a wide area of the south west from Bunbury to Augusta. Vegetation, fish, crustaceans, frogs and mammals will be impacted. Severe reductions to summer stream flow to the Blackwood and its tributaries will occur. Pumping will increase the risk of acidification of wetlands and groundwater on the Swan and Scott Coastal Plains.

Come to this forum on Saturday 6 May at the Mercure Hotel Perth and hear scientists and locals from the south west discuss the impacts of this proposal and make your comment to the Environmental Protection Authority before the deadline.

Speakers: Hon. John Kobelke, Minister for Water Resources
Prof Peter Davies, University of Western Australia
Dr Pierre Horwitz, Edith Cowan University
Dr Ray Froend, Edith Cowan University
Prof Steve Hopper, University of Western Australia
Dr Greg Keighery, Department of Conservation & Land Management
Barbara Dunnet, Nannup Shire President

When: 9am – 4pm Saturday 6 May 2006
Where: Mercure Hotel, Cnr Irwin St and Hay St, Perth
Cost: Community registration $30 / Corporate registration $50
Price includes lunch and tea breaks.

RSVP’s and pre-pay essential by contacting: Conservation Council of WA, P: 08 9420 7266, E: conswa@conservationwa.asn.au, F: 08 9420 7273

Registration form available to download at www.conservationwa.asn.au
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TerryF
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Beavering away in the background......

[Tim Richards]

Love him or hate him at least Colin Barnett had the b@lls to get the water down from the Kimberleys. I am no expert but to me harnessing water that is destined for evaporation is a far better option than than tapping under ground sources. A few years ago when the dam's became so low and the water corp started to "shandy" our drinking water with underground water from the Jandakot Mound I personally noticed a huge difference. Our business is on 100 acres in Jandakot and we have noticed a huge amount of trees dying off. More proof is in the fact that we have a licence with the DEP which requires us to monitor the water table level on our site, I don't have the figures on me but I know it is consistently falling. What the hell is draining the Yarragadee going to do to our forests in the South West, I shudder to think. Anyone else notice a few years ago that when the water "shandying" started when you washed your car you ended up with a residue on the duco and windows, I know I did, all due to this "bore" water being added, the worst part is we bloody drink it as well.
Now instead of the whole state utilising clean fresh rain water, from the dams and Kimberleys, we are going to be drinking and using a bore water shandy and water from a desalination plant, heaven only knows what it will taste like. Salt is the most corrosive thing on the planet I cringe at the ongoing maintenance bill for the desalination plant.

Longest post I have ever written, feel like Trouty

Just my two cents worth.

Tim

A good opportnity for folks to go along and queston barbara Dunnet publicly how the hell she can oppose the Yarragadee but support the drainage of Salt from the Wheatbelt thru the Blackwood?

If anyone besies me wants to ASK Barbara Dunnet that question, her phone numbers 0011 61 (0)8 97583328

Might be nice if she had to "justify her stand" on the phone to a few hundred disgruntled fisherfolks wo are all lanning to come along tot he Yarragadee meeting and ask her publicly those same questions!!

Her and her shires actions (or lack thereof) are the root cause her towns dieing and people (like us who had been there 20 years) are leaving in droves!

Who would want to wait around for the ievitable death!

If it doesn't make sense to you, why a "local" would adopt this stance publicly try and understand Barb comes from a silver spoon in her mouth background who ownes thousands of acres on th Scott plateaux (just east of Augusta so her access to the Blackwood is at the rivermouth in Augusta where the rivers already the ocean anyway!

This won't affect her or her family and their farm in any way! (Coz they don't live in Nannup - they just happen to be within the shire!).

Easey to side with the wheatbelt farmers when your a farmer and not affected by the decision!

The fact she has sold out the entire shire and it's people (not to mention her duty of care to the river and it's surrounding forests for the benefit of all present & future West Australian's).

But we still come back to the same result, a done deal!

Social
Environmental
Fiscal

The govt stated at the outset that this would be a 3 part process, with no single aspect determining the outcome!

They conducted a social impacts study which concluded unequivocally that the majority of Western Australians (and especially thiose of the southwest) Didn't want Yarragadee Pumping to proceed!

The unequivocal outcome of the Environmental Impacts Studies is that rare and endangered species will be threatened and made extinct by the lowered water tables in riparian vegetation zones!

Lastly - the Fiscal economics aren't in favor of it - Desalinations cheaper and more environmentally sustainable!

Now - we should NOT even be enetertaining any discussion of Yarragadee, at least 2 out of 3 of the factors arent in favor of continuing it - so there was no point progressing wioth the 3rd fiscal considerations!

Gvot Guaranteed us this WOULD NOT HAPPEN - that they WOULD NOT DISREGARD the findings of the studies outcomes!

But thery have!

The pipes manufracturing contracts were issued by Water Authority before the results of the Social Impacts studies were even completed!

No one listens to me when I tell you these things are a fricken done deal and what we say think or do doesn't matter one round rats touche! To participate is only to encourage then that they can change your mind! They ignore you and count your "participaton at any meeting" (even if yoiu are there with pklacards protesting against it) as "support" for the process and it's pre-determined outcome!

People muxt honestly be thick as two short planks not to be able to see whatis happeneing here!

The death of a river, (probably 2 rivers) coz the water will be used to kill off the Swan once it's polluted and dumped into the Swan via sewage outfall and watewater storm drainage!

In the driest state in the driest continent on the Earth any govt who killed off the two icon rivers of the state ought be hung by the balls for treason!

Thats how I see it!

I sincerely hope the Waggyle gets the bloody lot of them! (probably would spit em out in disgust!).

Cheers!