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View Poll Results: Which line lay do you prefer
A - Even 19 86.36%
B - Top Heavy 0 0%
C - Bottom heavy 1 4.55%
D - dont care 2 9.09%
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Old 09-06-2019, 08:48 AM
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I like my spool the way i like my lady....



Or Italian style....


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Old 09-06-2019, 09:34 AM
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I like my spool the way i like my lady....


I'm familiar with that first one - even built a rig to get rid of it - but it all reverts back after floating out a bait under a balloon

But that second one is a bit mysterious
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Old 09-06-2019, 09:53 AM
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With those hour glass profiles you have to physically build up the middle of the spool by hand laying the line, and then allow the rest to go on as usual.

Usually a bump / hump of about the same size on the spool as the depression is deep as seen is enough to rectify it.

Its a oscillating timing thing it seems... I had a old Shimano reel do the same which I used extensively, and I've got a few BTR's and I saw the original line on them which was similar...

Second one I reckon somethings bent.
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Old 09-06-2019, 08:16 PM
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so you build a hump on the bare spool with duct tape - then put the line back on - Might just give that a crack - coz all my bait runners have unusual line lays
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Old 09-06-2019, 08:18 PM
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The gold spool is the newer version - it doesnt seem to have the humps - but its not without its problems
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Old 09-06-2019, 08:19 PM
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Was out on the bay yesterday and the best way to find out if your set up is prone to wind knots, is to hand it to a 14 year old who's never used lures.

There were 4 of us casting and noone got a single wind knot, except this young lad who got heaps - They were all my out fits and I'd bumped up the jighead head weight to 1/4 ounce, hoping this would alleviate a few problems.

(ie casting distance, feel and wind knots.)

He was using one of my second string out fits, with a cheap ABU on it. Upon inspection, it may not have been his fault.

The reel had a pronounced bottom heavy taper - and I reckon this may have contributed to his problems. There was another 14 year old out there with similar casting and retrieve style -

(ie loopy, all over the place and very little attention paid to retrieving slack line onto the reel)

But he didnt get any wind knots.

I ended up giving the problem child my outfit and he successfully lasted the rest of the day without a wind knot.

I've taken a spacer out, slightly under spooled it and now it is laying line as it should - hopefully this makes it "14 year old proof"

The reel in the picture looks a little too full for my liking. I would go a touch less just to be sure of no problems out on the water.

Almost all wind knots are caused by too much line on the reel. Lowering the line will eliminate or reduce all cases.

The reason is because you need some resistance on the line from the spool lip when making a cast. This allows the coils that come off the spool to "stretch" out some and make it easier for the line to go through the guides.

When the line load is too full on the spool, the coils coming off don't rub on the lip so they get very round and large in diameter. This makes them more difficult to get through the guides and in some cases it bunches up and tangles, and you get your wind knot.

Line twist and a few other things can contribute, but too much line on the reel is the main one by far and lowering the line will fix 99% of cases.

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Old 09-06-2019, 08:39 PM
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The reel in the picture looks a little too full for my liking. I would go a touch less just to be sure of no problems out on the water.

Almost all wind knots are caused by too much line on the reel. Lowering the line will eliminate or reduce all cases.

The reason is because you need some resistance on the line from the spool lip when making a cast. This allows the coils that come off the spool to "stretch" out some and make it easier for the line to go through the guides.

When the line load is too full on the spool, the coils coming off don't rub on the lip so they get very round and large in diameter. This makes them more difficult to get through the guides and in some cases it bunches up and tangles, and you get your wind knot.

Line twist and a few other things can contribute, but too much line on the reel is the main one by far and lowering the line will fix 99% of cases.
Yeah good call - I might strip it back a bit - coz theres only one thing more annoying than undoing your own wind knots - and thats undoing someone elses
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Old 10-06-2019, 03:01 AM
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so you build a hump on the bare spool with duct tape - then put the line back on - Might just give that a crack - coz all my bait runners have unusual line lays
Physically wind on a hump of line / backing mono etc to lift the centre up.
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Old 10-06-2019, 06:23 AM
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Physically wind on a hump of line / backing mono etc to lift the centre up.

Ahhh Gotcha - thanks Slaz
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Old 10-06-2019, 08:11 AM
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With the Shimano spools and the "propulsion" design - when the line is being pulled off the spool the lip is lifting the line off the laid portion of the spool.
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This is the case with ANY spool. The lip is what lifts the line off. Why did you single out that “Shimano” spools and the Propulsion design do something that others don’t?
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Old 10-06-2019, 08:20 AM
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Ok so I built the hump - and heres the result
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Old 10-06-2019, 08:23 AM
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and here it is versus the original

(First photo - no hump of line added)
(Second photo - hump of mono added)
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Old 10-06-2019, 08:30 AM
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No difference to the end result. That’s funny because I would have thought it would even things out, but it hasn’t.
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Old 10-06-2019, 08:36 AM
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No difference to the end result. That’s funny because I would have thought it would even things out, but it hasn’t.
Yeah I should have checked half way through the spooling up to see if it was making a difference.

I think the depth of the spool is an issue - It might make a difference on a shallower spool.

But I put 200 meters of 30lb braid over the top of the bump.

And the other thing is the original photo shows its fairly underspooled - so I imagine the bumps get worse the more line you put on -

Edit - I'll strip some back to the approximate same level to see if there is a difference

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Old 10-06-2019, 08:57 AM
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Ok - so I stripped off a heap of line to see if it made a difference - nup
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