Go Back   Bream Master Forums > Bream Tackle > Leader

Leader What type, what weight, what length, etc.



Reply
 
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 2 votes, 5.00 average. Display Modes
  #1  
Old 15-01-2015, 02:35 PM
Sloth's Avatar
Sloth Sloth is offline
Blue Lip
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Melbourne (Maribyrnong)
Posts: 1,978
Busting off lures

Ok ..... Recently I've been getting onto a few bigger/stronger fish and experiencing bust offs at the lure. The bust offs are occurring when the fish is pulling hard and I'm assuming it's not abrading me against structure. If I had to guess I'd say the knot is cutting through the leader as I get back a relatively clean, straight broken end. I fish 4lb fc leader and tie to a decoy clip using a uni knot. I want to put an end to the theft of my lures ! Can I have some wisdom from the more experienced on how best to go about improving this. My current thoughts are:

1. Lose the clips and start tying loop knots direct to the tow point.
2. Keep the clip but ditch the uni-knot and start using the fish-n-fool
3. Up leader strength to 6lb.
4. Fish lighter drag

What steps do you take if you're experiencing premature lure loss?

Thanks

Edit: I do 6 to 7 turns on my uni knots and plenty of saliva

Last edited by Sloth; 15-01-2015 at 04:27 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 15-01-2015, 04:19 PM
Piranha's Avatar
Piranha Piranha is offline
Blue Lip
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Yarrawonga Vic
Posts: 1,229
I would up leader to 6-8lb in the situation described less wraps on the fluro side of the uni knot may help it's strength too.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 15-01-2015, 05:21 PM
Simonosy's Avatar
Simonosy Simonosy is offline
Big Bream
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Wynyard, Tasmania
Posts: 539
I reckon 4 turns is heaps. Don't want too much friction in the uni before it pulls tight or it can heat up the line before it comes down hard.

I'd be doing some testing at home with a set of scales. Try out what you're doing and see what it breaks at, then make some changes as you listed and see what that breaks at. If you did ten runs of each method and took the average, that'd give you a good idea whats going on.
__________________
Twitch, twitch...........twitch.... clunk!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 15-01-2015, 05:28 PM
BloodWorm's Avatar
BloodWorm BloodWorm is offline
Blue Lip
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,292
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simonosy View Post
Don't want too much friction in the uni before it pulls tight or it can heat up the line before it comes down hard.
That has been my experience when this happens. I haven't been taking enough care when tying the know and getting some friction when tightening the knot.

The scenario you are talking is finesse but you should be landing the fish you are talking about.
__________________
Supporting The Jig Man
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 15-01-2015, 05:43 PM
Sloth's Avatar
Sloth Sloth is offline
Blue Lip
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Melbourne (Maribyrnong)
Posts: 1,978
Hmmm.... everyones talking a uni-knot to the lure clip I assume (not a leader-mainline knot).

If so .... interesting. Four wraps seems so .... I dunno ... small ? haha. I thought 7 wraps made a freaky small knot !

I'm considering changing a few things. It's firing after dark at the moment so I reckon I can easily go up 2lb in breaking strain. I'm going to change over to a fish-n-fool (basically an improved uni knot) and I'll reduce to 4 wraps, based on comments above.

I'm consoling myself that good fish will come again ... but you're on the money bloodworm... should have landed that one. Nothing to bust me on. I just overloaded the system. Kind of annoying
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 15-01-2015, 06:24 PM
HB tragic's Avatar
HB tragic HB tragic is offline
Blue Lip
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Adelaide SA
Posts: 1,654
Have you thought about a loop knot to the clip? I use this approach and it works for me. Regards, HBt.
__________________
PB Bream - hb: 43cm
PB Bream - sp: 30cm
PB Bream - surface: 33cm
PB Mulloway - hb: 63cm
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 15-01-2015, 06:26 PM
BloodWorm's Avatar
BloodWorm BloodWorm is offline
Blue Lip
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,292
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloth View Post
should have landed that one. Nothing to bust me on. I just overloaded the system. Kind of annoying
Feels 100 times worse when it happens in a VicBream round.
Just a small lapse in concentration and 'POP' she is all over red rover
__________________
Supporting The Jig Man
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 15-01-2015, 06:29 PM
Piscateur's Avatar
Piscateur Piscateur is offline
Blue Lip
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3,162
In general I don't believe the loop knots are as strong as a uni or locked blood.
If using 4 or 6 lb the leader isn't really thick enough to impede on the lures action, above this leader weight, I will use a clip rather than a loop knot.
I run a 6turn locked blood, only coz its easier for me than the uni. Both are equally strong but there less friction with the blood on the tightening of the knot.

Some of your recent losses sounded like tailor to me, and there not much you can do there.
__________________
May all your evenings rise
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 15-01-2015, 06:38 PM
orbea63's Avatar
orbea63 orbea63 is offline
Mature Bream
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Perth
Posts: 342
Quote:
Originally Posted by Piscateur View Post
In general I don't believe the loop knots are as strong as a uni or locked blood.
If using 4 or 6 lb the leader isn't really thick enough to impede on the lures action, above this leader weight, I will use a clip rather than a loop knot.
I run a 6turn locked blood, only coz its easier for me than the uni. Both are equally strong but there less friction with the blood on the tightening of the knot.

Some of your recent losses sounded like tailor to me, and there not much you can do there.

Yes that is what I was thinking...Tailor...
__________________
Tight lines everyone.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 15-01-2015, 07:03 PM
BOOMBOOM4216's Avatar
BOOMBOOM4216 BOOMBOOM4216 is offline
Poddy Bream
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Gold Coast
Posts: 70
Quote:
Originally Posted by Piscateur View Post
In general I don't believe the loop knots are as strong as a uni or locked blood.
Those pontoon 21 clips or even Daiwa's Figure 8 clips would be my choice now. Loop knots are up against some abrasion even under the water, even by microscopic suspended elements in the water...

Has anyone actually looked at their tow points on their lures? Some of mine have a flat spot where the wire is rolled over and there is a flat spot underneath - which is in complete contact with the leader.

Thats what I find wears my leader on some lures. The worst being Halco Scorpions and Lazers - the ones with the flat punched tow points.

When you say plenty of saliva... How much exactly...
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 15-01-2015, 07:06 PM
BloodWorm's Avatar
BloodWorm BloodWorm is offline
Blue Lip
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,292
Quote:
Originally Posted by BOOMBOOM4216 View Post
When you say plenty of saliva... How much exactly...
Enough and tighten the knot slow enough so there is no heat generated. Feel the knot after tightening it you should feel no heat/warmth. Then test the knot.

I just put the knot through my mouth, nothing over the top.
__________________
Supporting The Jig Man
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 15-01-2015, 07:07 PM
yellow door 1's Avatar
yellow door 1 yellow door 1 is offline
LEGEND Unicorn
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: melbourne
Posts: 12,294
Have a look at this

http://breammaster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59492
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 15-01-2015, 07:07 PM
Sloth's Avatar
Sloth Sloth is offline
Blue Lip
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Melbourne (Maribyrnong)
Posts: 1,978
Quote:
Originally Posted by BOOMBOOM4216 View Post
When you say plenty of saliva... How much exactly...
The whole knot and leader to the tow point goes in my mouth. Given the comments my wife makes about how much drool I leave on the pillows I'd say the average quantity is .... Lots.

Given where I fish it also explains why I don't like retying lures
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 15-01-2015, 07:13 PM
Sloth's Avatar
Sloth Sloth is offline
Blue Lip
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Melbourne (Maribyrnong)
Posts: 1,978
Yeah the instant losses were likely tailor. The nongster I hooked last night was most definitely on - was mine to lose
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 15-01-2015, 07:17 PM
Bronco T Bronco T is offline
Mature Bream
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Sydney
Posts: 255
I always use a uni knot to the clip with no problems, do 6 turns with 4 or 6lb fluro with no issues. I have found that the thicker the line the less turns that are needed and obviously the larger the lines diameter the harder it is to do more turns for a smooth knot as well, iam talking 50 to 100lb leader there.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Google