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Old 05-01-2018, 07:04 AM
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Tearing down a Stradic FH - picture heavy...

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Bought some old reels over the last few weeks - Stradic FH, Curado e5, Core MG and last but not least a Calcutta Conquest 300F - all mint or near enough to it for their relative age.

So did the tear down on the Stradic the Curado and Core today... More than pleased and wanted to show the inner workings of the Stradic - an oldie no doubt but last of the Japanese made models before the Malaysian FI and FJ (another favorite) and current FK. This reel for the sake of it is terrible compared to my favourite the FJ - the FH has a inserted handle with a screw lock and has heaps of play in the handle / main gear shaft for that particular reason - otherwise its well built and practical and most likely caught its fair share of fish over the model run in the real world and will have a healthy fan base following.

So anyhow today cracked it open and here are some observations - and if your looking into buying some old gold reels; here are some things to look out for / hints into your own reel etc.

Original box - Having a good condition or there abouts box helps, some people dont keep these and theyre in land fill and usually you'll just get the reel itself. However reel with box and all paperwork will bring a higher price (reel dependant). Otherwise its just a nice thing to have and to keep the reel safely in.

Sadly I myself have butchered a lot of my old Stradic F boxes and only kept the fascia and side of the box with the specs - better little than non, however Iam space poor to keep multiple empty boxes.

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Overall condition - a no brainer... Overall paint (scratches, dings and chips), corrosion (bubbles under paint etc), handle grip especially on these being Septone and they're riveted on for life, bail straight, dings on spool and other visual cues for the reel and the life its had. This particular reel has some cosmetic blemishes and yeh they were more evident after a good clean and in sunlight than my original inspection while going through a bit of a rough patch with other things going on in life...

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One good one to look out for is the spool sticker, they're usually peeled off and discarded, however some sneaky buggers peel them off carefully, apply them to a piece of plastic and store them with the box - when it comes to sell they'll usually place them on (if they've looked after the reel very well) and try selling for new. On this particular model I bought you can see the line has been applied over the sticker and its indented and the sticker is wrinkled from line pressure once over it.

Or on another hand, some owners have a "hero" spare spool which they'll apply to the reel and sell with only one spool and pass it off for new.

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On these old FH's and prior models the chrome was applied via a method where a deposited 'copper or similar' phosphate is applied to the plastic and then chromed over in gold chrome - only way for it to stick back then. When achieved a clear coat is applied over that, and that clear coat can be measured in the microns literally, a stiff breeze could remove it. But typically a reel being fished normally will leave some marks and these are telltale of use and exposure to a saltwater environment.

Bit of a vid how they do it properly these days

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If you don't look after them they will go green and honestly trash the reels overall look and total worth - the availability of these cowlings is next to finding unicorn poo, in a meadow under a rainbow with a pot of gold at its end - all within walking distance from where you sit... I honestly would like to look into getting them recoated and in a less gaudy champaign gold similar to the spool - can be done but cost dependant...

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Old 05-01-2018, 07:15 AM
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Starting the tear down, you can definitely see whats been done in its life.

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And straight into it and viola - red grease... Someone's played in this at some stage.

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And the "infamous" Shimano rubber friction rings (alongside the Septone rubber knobs), who which seem to absorb oil and go doughy and loose any real effective relationship to the term rubber... as per the pictures above. In these reels, and in many other Shimano reels of similar vintage the black or blue friction rings tend to self destruct at some stage and usually while the rotor is spinning at some ungodly speed which throws this plasticine consistency sticky band through the works.
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:30 AM
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Getting into the gearbox, was a relief. I had somewhat seen inside the reel prior to purchase and didn't get to remove the main gear to see the wear - however saw that there wasn't any "Hot Sauce" dumped in there, like a chilli festival - as I have been subjected to in many reels before.

Keep in mind that these reels for some strange reason had open bearings - a major issue within regards to sand and dust ingress - can be simply swapped out to ZZ shielded stainless and your back in the game - again I wanted this stock standard.

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Something to look out for - any pink leakage from between the body halves... That stuff is horrendous and personally I think vaseline would be a better lubrication than it - most reels I have looked into with it have tended to be quiet worn - but I digress...

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So as you can see the grease has migrated well off the gears as a majority over the reels lifetime - it seems that this reel hasn't been used too much* but has been left as a standard reel (eg: unserviced / molested).

No missing parts were noticed in this reel however some shims could be added to some areas to lessen the looseness of the oscillation gears and the like - however I wanted to keep the reel stock - so no extra bearings or shims added.

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The main gear set - you want to know how bad they are... They're a alloy unlike later series, these are a pot metal zinc alloy of some mix, not my favourite however if looked after they can do some serious work year after year and well into the decade***.

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So once the reel has been thoroughly inspected and stripped down the main body gearbox half is cleaned and added to the pile of parts to be further cleaned.
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:36 AM
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One thing about some of these old reels is their bearing tolerances, extremely good!!! So matching the ID and OD of the main drive bearings and their seatings is spot on - however absolutely destroyed by the handle square shaft insertion and locking screw method...

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Old 05-01-2018, 07:53 AM
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Here you can see the fluidrive bearing surfaces inside the main pinion. Basically reducing the surface contact area with the main shaft with oscillation. The reduced mass between the two bearing surfaces gives you the opportunity to fill with oil and that should keep up lubrication for a fair while, and addition of oil via the exposed top pinion should flow down into that cavity in time with reapplication.

One thing I'll touch on with the FH series of Stradic reels is the variability of some builds. The 4000 FH I have came with a solid green bushing on the RH drive and a "X Ship" bearing on the back end of the pinion... On the smaller FH's it seems that the RH drive has a open true bearing and the back end of the pinion is supported by a replaceable bushing...

Who knows what Shimano was thinking back then??? Anyhow this technology of rear bushing kept on through till the FJ and the FA Stradic's with the inception of "X Ship".

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So all parts went through the wash and I paid special attention to the grip as it was septon rubber and non replaceable, I applied some degreaser carefully into the open end and worked it in by spinning and then flushed it out while the rest of the reel soaked before agitation.

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And on this picture you can see the crap coming out of the reel - a load of machining filings or fillings from metal on metal over its time through peoples hands and use. So they're gone now - no more reapplication through the gears and other parts to do more damage...

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All the parts of the FH drying out - which did not take too long today.

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And the miniscule parts that didn't go through the wash...
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Old 05-01-2018, 08:01 AM
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The main gear - after some cleaning and now you can see the uniform wear pattern, certainly an easy steady going life its had. Yeh I had to pre press the main RH drive bearing onto the shaft - one very tight fitting set...

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The round white keyed part (lower 7 o'clock position) is the main worm drive oscillation shaft bushing - literally 4 times larger than the current size in the Stradic's, and unfortunately in this model that part is very loose and as you can see its very gappy - you could literally rid the slop with some engineering paper slid down in there...

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Now with older reels, they didn't really focus on "waterproofness" and all these wanky terms with how robust a reel is whilst being splashed and all that jazz... Within regards to this particular reel you can see that there are HEAPS of water entry points, so if you looking at older reels you need to think that 'most likely' water of some denomination has got into the reel either through accidental or washing.

Physically winding a prospective reel purchase will give you some idea on how the reels internals are, if water had gotten into this particular reel and no service accomplished it would corrode multiple parts and it would feel like a boat trailer winch. With the tight fitting bearings, if these bearings were to corrode they will most usually corrode shut and render the reel inoperable.

Fair use will give you a fair idea (somewhat).
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Old 05-01-2018, 08:13 AM
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Paying special attention to the inner cowellings of this particular series of reel, the inner surfaces of the cowels need to be coated in a marine grease - or in my case a mix of Corrosion X and Inox MX6 grease before reassembly. This will give the chrome parts the best chance of staving off the dreaded gold parts green cancer...

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And how the reel went back together.

Old reels in my eyes need to be looked after and if your like me just love to amass reels of your generation when you started fishing and those you couldn't afford due to expense back then - and now starting to become more affordable.

Its just a good collection piece to add to a bank of others - some literally are impossible to get in great condition and when you can find them, jump at the opportunity. Older reels of any denomination make good conversational pieces between fisherman and display well.

Anyhow I hope that this has brought some information to someone - or whoever swings by.
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Old 05-01-2018, 08:42 AM
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And just for S&G some of my other finds, and done today.

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Nice comprehensive tear down.
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Old 11-01-2018, 08:10 AM
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Thanks mate 👍

Now case in point with the corrosion of the garnish plates...
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I have a few of those Stradics for bait fishing, good workhorses. I have replaced the friction ring and the gold parts also over the years. I don't think Shimano carry many parts for them any more 😕
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Old 11-01-2018, 05:26 PM
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Nah i agree - would've ben so many people at one point changing those plates out - I'm doubtful they'll have them also.

I was actually quiet shocked with the condition of these two i got... but realised who they came from.

See if i can get them running again... "see" being the operative word.
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Interesting and informative read Thank you from a reel parts illiterate Regards HBt.
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Ha ha no worries HB.

Will have to flesh it out a bit more i think.
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