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Old 03-03-2018, 06:45 PM
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Daiwa mid range reels

Ok to be fair I am mostly a Shimano fan, but their terrible gap between their 2500 and 1000 size reels has forced me to look into the Daiwa 2000 size to match up on some rods I have.
I thought if I spent $250-280 on a reel I would get something decent from Daiwa, but not so sure now. I bought a Caldia SHA about 2 yrs ago and while not anything special it has not been too bad, lot of gear slop. I bought another recently as my local had them at a good price. After 2 outings it became noisey and rough, I took it back to the shop and they sent it back to Daiwa, after 5 weeks I get it back with a $35 bill because they don't warranty bearings. It felt pretty average so I sold it at a massive loss and went on the hunt for an alternative. After much research I thought I had found it in a Ballistic EX. One use with this new reel left me shattered as it too was noisey and had a clunk when retrieving under slight load. To be fair I bought 2 and the other seems fine. Now I have to wait again for this reel to be fixed or replaced.
Is Daiwa mid range junk? Shimano offerings in the same price range are so much better!
Daiwa service - warranty is terrible! They make Shimano look really good.
Daiwa line rollers😕 Why no bearings in these mid range offerings, the Ballistic would have to have the most wobbly line roller I have ever seen in a reel.
Mag seal, what a joke, I am totally convinced it is useless and I know for a fact that some reels either don't have enough unobtainium oil applied to form a complete seal from the factory or none at all!
I know Daiwa make some good high end stuff but imho buyer beware in their midrange offerings, very disappointed.
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Old 03-03-2018, 06:53 PM
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Try lookig at the jdm shimano reels. I have a stradic Fk c2000hgs that is only available in japan

Its a 1000 sized reel with a 2000 size shallow spool.

Digitaka have them for about $220
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Old 03-03-2018, 07:21 PM
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Ok to be fair I am mostly a Shimano fan, but their terrible gap between their 2500 and 1000 size reels has forced me to look into the Daiwa 2000 size to match up on some rods I have.
As Scott said above - we have to get gear from Japanland to satisfy our needs - and when it does wear out or bomb - try getting parts or after care from our local dealerships...

The last 2016 Certate that I got was nuffed and the Aus portion didn't want to even help - other than tell him how much it was going to cost to look at it.

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Daiwa line rollers😕 Why no bearings in these mid range offerings, the Ballistic would have to have the most wobbly line roller I have ever seen in a reel.
Somewhat a good idea imho - Line roller bearings suck at the best of times, if they actually made a good system where they don't corrode in too - I wouldn't mind changing out all my bearings in my LRB to a decent tolerance bushing myself.
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Old 03-03-2018, 09:56 PM
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There are plenty of options among Shimano jdm C2000 sizes,but it still considerably smaller than Daiwa's genuine 2000.The only Shimano's size to match it is C2500 so far.It's not a big revelation that Shimano mid range are far more reliable, despite their appalling appearance.
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Old 03-03-2018, 10:22 PM
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And a C2000 is basically a 1000 size.
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Old 04-03-2018, 01:16 AM
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There is ONE option in a 2000 size in Shimano, the Soare. C2000 size reels are 1000 in every way except they hold a fraction more line due to a slightly deeper spool. The Soare 2000 is a size all of its own, in spool diameter and handle dimensions. Daiwa 2000 size spool diameter 43mm , Soare 2000 is also 43mm, someone correct me if I am wrong.
From what I can tell the Soare is available in ci4+ also.
Keen to hear from any one who owns one, how do you like it.

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Old 04-03-2018, 02:45 AM
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H Juzza, I've got a couple of the Soare's. Both the 2000HGS version. Not the most recent one but the one that looks like this.
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Its perfect for the light rods I use them with. They share many parts with the regular ci4+ model from what slazmo has told me so servicing and getting parts is not an issue. I tried the regular stradic 2500ci4+ and the 1000 but preferred the feel of these in that they are super smooth. I've had one for 2 years which has been serviced once. It is still super smooth and have had no issues with it. I work it pretty hard popping for whiting over the summer months. The other had to have a part replaced when it was serviced but I bought that one second hand. The latest model ('17 model) are around $300 posted from digitika.

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Old 04-03-2018, 02:52 AM
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I have a Daiwa Tierra 3000, which is probably more lower mid than mid, but it's been a good reel used on and off during the last 6 years. Still feels smooth and had zero maintenance except a bit of oil in the LRB. However my preference is for Shimano reels in the mid sector. Haven't been bitten yet, but Daiwa support sounds like a nightmare.
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Old 04-03-2018, 03:58 AM
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Thanks guys and Dr L.
Any chance of a pic of the Soare next to a 2500 or 1000.
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Old 04-03-2018, 06:31 AM
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Here you go Juzza. I took a few pictures of my 2000 Soare and 2500 Complex since they are both Ci4+ reels. In the hand the Soare feels smaller. I took the spool and the handle off to try and compare the body of the reel. The spool of the Soare is smaller and so is the handle. The main body part that the spool goes onto looked the same. I checked out the schematics for both reels and they are the same part. So I guess the 2000 feels smaller because of the smaller spool and handle which will change the retrieve per crank. Here are the pictures.Hope it helps with your decision.
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Old 04-03-2018, 04:05 PM
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Thanks mate appreciate you efforts
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Old 05-03-2018, 01:38 AM
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No worries Juzza. Also found a picture I posted a while ago showing the difference in spool sizes. 1000 sienna on the left.
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:34 PM
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I have a couple of 2016 certates and absolutely love them. I think the certate rates as a mid class reel. I came from Shimano reels which I still use and they served me well but just love the certates.
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Old 08-03-2018, 05:02 AM
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Interesting how we all have our own individual perspectives on price point. No right or wrong, just different.

I have a handful of certates, some over a decade old, and the only thing I regret is not buying more of the early [blue] models. However, at $550 odd for a current model, I would never class them as a mid range reel from a price point perspective.

For my money, budget is under $150, mid range $200+ and stretching to $350 at most and anything over $500 is getting upper end. That's my view for a bream reel, anyway.

YMMV
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