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Old 04-08-2014, 07:06 PM
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I might as well place my input.

Before a session at home, I like to do a Bimini twist in the braid (As much turns as I feel like) and use that loop to do the Alberto knot with the fluorocarbon. I've tested this link, every time I've been snagged and had to hold to spool to break the line, It fails at the leader terminal knot. That knot is a palomar to a snap. I've used it for a while now, never had to retie a leader in a session since. But, my backup plan is to do a Surgeon's loop instead of the Bimini twist when on the water.
So with the bimini on a braid, is it like a "reversed" Alberto?

The normal Alberto is made with the leader forming the loop and the braid around the loop 7 times up and down and back through the leader loop in the same direction.
Not sure how you tie yours with the bimini on a braid. Can you clarify please?

I recently started using the Alberto knot and it hasn't failed on me yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J56O3CZVu7M

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I recently started using the Alberto knot and it hasn't failed on me yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J56O3CZVu7M

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I used to use the Alberto or Allbright knot as it was easy as piss to tie and very slim in profile. Its also super strong, but because the tag end points towards the hook end the tag is constantly hitting guides on the way out and this weakens the knot over time. And I have had a few times where the knot unravelled on me during cats and just normal retrieve with hardly any pressure, and the tell tale signs of curly braid as evidence of and unravelled knot. So this was enough to stop me fishing with it.
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:24 PM
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Although I agree that any old knot is fine for bream, I cant go back to an inferior knot to the fg now.
Im with benny. Very hard to use anything less than the FG once you've learnt to tie it properly! And ive never ever had one slip! Love watching the braid change color as it bites down into the flouro!
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So with the bimini on a braid, is it like a "reversed" Alberto?

The normal Alberto is made with the leader forming the loop and the braid around the loop 7 times up and down and back through the leader loop in the same direction.
Not sure how you tie yours with the bimini on a braid. Can you clarify please?

I recently started using the Alberto knot and it hasn't failed on me yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J56O3CZVu7M

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Like that, but with the doubled braided line of the Bimini twist. I might do extra turns in the Alberto if I feel like it.
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Hey Alex,
I used to use the Alberto or Allbright knot as it was easy as piss to tie and very slim in profile. Its also super strong, but because the tag end points towards the hook end the tag is constantly hitting guides on the way out and this weakens the knot over time. And I have had a few times where the knot unravelled on me during cats and just normal retrieve with hardly any pressure, and the tell tale signs of curly braid as evidence of and unravelled knot. So this was enough to stop me fishing with it.
1+ I was a big fan of the alberta/albright until I saw a brand new Chubby sail off into the distance with a length of leader attached.

The problem is exactly as you said it.

It's slightly harder to tie and takes a while to get the hang of but the slim beauty is my new favorite... Hasn't failed me yet.
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Hey Alex,
I used to use the Alberto or Allbright knot as it was easy as piss to tie and very slim in profile. Its also super strong, but because the tag end points towards the hook end the tag is constantly hitting guides on the way out and this weakens the knot over time. And I have had a few times where the knot unravelled on me during cats and just normal retrieve with hardly any pressure, and the tell tale signs of curly braid as evidence of and unravelled knot. So this was enough to stop me fishing with it.
Might stick to my Slim Beauty then...
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Hey Alex,
I used to use the Alberto or Allbright knot as it was easy as piss to tie and very slim in profile. Its also super strong, but because the tag end points towards the hook end the tag is constantly hitting guides on the way out and this weakens the knot over time. And I have had a few times where the knot unravelled on me during cats and just normal retrieve with hardly any pressure, and the tell tale signs of curly braid as evidence of and unravelled knot. So this was enough to stop me fishing with it.
You can put the tag end back through the leader loop a few more times to help lock the braid in or you can half hitch up the braid also.
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Might stick to my Slim Beauty then...
The doubled over slim beauty for 6 lb and under is as good as any other know out there, just from my observations.
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You can put the tag end back through the leader loop a few more times to help lock the braid in or you can half hitch up the braid also.
Yeah I also thought about it to stop braid from unravelling.

Might try this option before I ditch the Alberto all together.

From the tube video I posted a link to, Alberto himself recommends to cut the tag end of the leader as close to the knot as possible. He reckons this is not a problem as it aстs as "chinese finger trap" - the more you pull the stronger it gets
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Stuff tying the FG... Maybe for bigger fish but for Bream a slim beauty will do.
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You can put the tag end back through the leader loop a few more times to help lock the braid in or you can half hitch up the braid also.
When u add half hitches to the Alberto the Slimbeauty would be quicker to tie. and you wont have halfhitch unravelling issues so its still the SB FTW, for leaders up to 6 lb for me.
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Old 05-08-2014, 03:27 AM
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When u add half hitches to the Alberto the Slimbeauty would be quicker to tie. and you wont have halfhitch unravelling issues so its still the SB FTW, for leaders up to 6 lb for me.
Hey Al,

Is your SB bulky due to doubled braid?

I can't fault my SB even with a single strand braid so a doubled would be much stronger.

In a Gold Edition of FW Mag, they gave a SB and Kaneit knots a 100% rating each when tied with a doubled braid.

So I think you are on a winner
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I pretty much use fluoro straight through 80% of the time now. Keeping it simple.
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Alex, i run with the improved albright to help it sail through the guides, lake tyers has a couple of extra lures due to my lazy approach last week with the normal AB knot. I ended up using another reel with straight thru fluro for better results & quicker change over.
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Hey Al,

Is your SB bulky due to doubled braid?

I can't fault my SB even with a single strand braid so a doubled would be much stronger.

In a Gold Edition of FW Mag, they gave a SB and Kaneit knots a 100% rating each when tied with a doubled braid.

So I think you are on a winner
The additional thickness if present isn't noticeable. But from my own findings it's definitely stronger than not doubling it over.
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