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Old 30-12-2016, 07:26 AM
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Daiwa Certate 2016 - Inside.

Been an absolute mission to get these pictures up, this forum is seriously glitchy!!!

2016 Certate a look inside.
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For how exy these Certates are i would've thought that bearings would've been standard?

Anyhow 2 more were put in place.

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A really strange way to put the rotor together, what was once a one piece rotor, now has a separate upper plate that's clamped down with those two suicide screws...

What is the benefits?

Another note, spool support bearing installed and another put into the spool.

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Spool support is now the same as the Exist, where a small specialist screw nut that holds the spool support down firmly in place - even with the cross pin and needs a specific tool to extract it.

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Rotor nut assembly has also changed from 2013 to 2016. What was simply a nut with a bearing in it with a bushing for the floating shaft has now become more part specific...

Also the inner bearing has the bushing pressed into it - it seems... Same as the Stella series. Once that bearing goes you need to buy it as a whole piece "bearing and bush'.
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Old 30-12-2016, 08:06 AM
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A decent step in the right direction and much better thought out than Shimano's concept.

In the 2013 and previous models all springs and trips were placed in the bail trip / line roller side which put a lot of upwards force on the armature action pivot point which prematurely wore out the arm and post as the Zaion material wore on itself due to factors being no lube, sand or pure repetitious action that being lure fishing.

This time in the 2016 the spring is put into the other 'slave' side with the metal armature, and the bail trip is still in the line roller armature side. Just a really good idea finally 👌

On another note, just a random washer just sitting in there just chillin 😐

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2013 vs 2016

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Another step in the right direction with no Line Roller post in the 2016 👏👌👏👌👏👌👏👌

That means if your someone that rarely oils your LRB it shouldnt corrode out and cost you a replacement bail if its all fuzed together...

I mean its not Shimano kind of easy pull apart when corroded but god finally!!!!

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2013 vs 2016

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The new Magseal rotor seal magnet is also beefed up and much much much more magnetic, which in theory should suspend the ferrofluid around the AR sleeve better than previous years.

Also the rubber O ring under that has been redesigned and sits in a proper channel, not just willy nilly around the collar itself.

Biggest negative is seating this magnet plate equal in relation to the inner metallic AR sleeve - challenge 100%...

Did notice some weird fragments sticking to the Magseal magnet plate...
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Old 30-12-2016, 08:52 AM
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The drive bearings which are now Magsealed.

They're about 1/4 thicker than previous unsealed bearings and unfortunately very much more costly to replace.

They also dont spin freely as like they're full of grease, the reel spins nicely in the hand however could spin just that bit free'er ��

I do see people replacing these with Ceramic 2RS bearings for a similar waterproof effect but without the hassle of not being user serviceable.

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Inside sees a few cosmetic changes and a few positive moves in the right direction body design wise.

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The new drive gear sees away with whatever coating of previous years - also noted that there are no balancing machining marks on the underside.

Just a work of art in essence, solid bit of gearing in such a small reel...

In the end the reel ended up being 11 bearings (without the AR mentioned).

And that'll be the last post from me this year... And up until the forum becomes more stable... That was an absolute mission to put together...

Have a good new years everyone.
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Old 30-12-2016, 09:55 PM
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thanks for the effort,its hard enough responding on BM atm let alone posting
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The drive bearings which are now Magsealed.

They're about 1/4 thicker than previous unsealed bearings and unfortunately very much more costly to replace.

They also dont spin freely as like they're full of grease, the reel spins nicely in the hand however could spin just that bit free'er ��

I do see people replacing these with Ceramic 2RS bearings for a similar waterproof effect but without the hassle of not being user serviceable.

You didn't happen to measure these bearings when you had them did you Andrew? I have heardsay that it might be difficult to find bearings due to the unusual dimensions of magseal BBs

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The drive bearings which are now Magsealed.

They're about 1/4 thicker than previous unsealed bearings and unfortunately very much more costly to replace.

They also dont spin freely as like they're full of grease, the reel spins nicely in the hand however could spin just that bit free'er ��

I do see people replacing these with Ceramic 2RS bearings for a similar waterproof effect but without the hassle of not being user serviceable.

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Inside sees a few cosmetic changes and a few positive moves in the right direction body design wise.

Attachment 111034
The new drive gear sees away with whatever coating of previous years - also noted that there are no balancing machining marks on the underside.

Just a work of art in essence, solid bit of gearing in such a small reel...

In the end the reel ended up being 11 bearings (without the AR mentioned).

And that'll be the last post from me this year... And up until the forum becomes more stable... That was an absolute mission to put together...

Have a good new years everyone.
Thank you for the review:

1. if possible, could you measure the main gear size ?

2. Do you see any benefit when Daiwa doing this "Spool support is now the same as the Exist, where a small specialist screw nut that holds the spool support down firmly in place - even with the cross pin and needs a specific tool to extract it." ??
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1. if possible, could you measure the main gear size ?
Long gone back to thw owner who has now in turn re-dunked the reel...

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2. Do you see any benefit when Daiwa doing this "Spool support is now the same as the Exist, where a small specialist screw nut that holds the spool support down firmly in place - even with the cross pin and needs a specific tool to extract it." ??
Just stops the spoil support from wobbling with just the cross pin. Good idea but another specialty tool to remove the inner shaft nut and another screw to cross thread or strip by inexperienced servicemen.
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Old 06-02-2017, 10:50 AM
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Slazmon,

Thank you for the quick reply.

So, Shimano spool support could wobble, like in the Stella, Twinpower, etc ? since it does not have this new hard to maintenance new lock down like Daiwa ?
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