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Old 15-04-2018, 11:22 PM
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My Reel Rant

Purchasing a new reel is always a decision making process. It used to be fun but not so much anymore. As anglers we all will have our own preconceived ideas on what size, brand, and model of reel we will purchase for a particular application.
My peeve with the big two manufactures is the seemingly never ending array of models. I am unsure of the complete number of models in the line-ups of the big two other than to say it is excessive. Between the models there seems to be scarcely any difference, a different colour, 1 more bearing, a different construction material. It is not until you get above the mid-tier level that you start to see any quality and even that is dubious in 2018. All their good ideas seem to be let down by shoddy workmanship and bad manufacturing tolerances, simply slap happy.
Could someone with some influence please explain to them that 5 or 6 spin reels in their line up would be sufficient? One or two at entry level, a work horse model, and two more upmarket versions and perhaps a dedicated heavy duty model for the GT guys. By reducing the models they would reduce manufacturing cost, retailers would jump for joy at having to have only 5 or 6 models on the shelf, parts inventories would be slashed, and I could think of another 100 reasons.
All of this would have to reduce the off the shelf price which would benefit us all even the manufactures.
The recent introduction of the new Stella and the LT version sol3 are a case in point, one of each from the big two. Without exception every angler I have talked to has been taken back by the more than normal jump over the previous models price. Although I do see some discounting happening it is simply a gouge into your pocket. Despite all the hype the new Stella seems underwhelming and the new Sol with the wiz bang LT technologies only means it is lighter, whether it stands the rigors of the real world is yet to be seen. Why such a big leap in price?
So can someone please explain to me why they have so many different models in their range surely there must be a plausible explanation that is out there? What is even more frightening for me is that I know we here in Aus do not get the complete range. Looking at the Japanese sites there are about as many again. What used to be a simple pleasure they are turning into a nightmare of technical jargon, misleading advertising and seem to be enjoying getting their hands deeper into everyoneís pockets.
Reduce the manufacturing costs by reducing the amount of models so reduce the end cost to the consumer, everyone's a winner.

Rant over, sorry if some have been offended
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Old 16-04-2018, 04:53 AM
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Agreed. My issue is that’s is impossible to be across them all unless you’re a fanatic so I tend to just ignore everything except a select few. Hello Stradics. It’s prob my loss, but if there were fewer models, they would presumably have greater distinctions between them and it would be easier to pick and choose. As servic said, at present it seems like it’s not worth the bother to research them all because their are so many seemingly trivial variations on a theme. It also creates issues on getting advice because it’s now impossible for anyone to have tried them all and to give advice to the uninformed like me.

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Old 16-04-2018, 05:11 AM
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Old 16-04-2018, 06:03 AM
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Agreed! I'm about to buy a reel to match my Daiwa Demon Blood for stick baiting kings. I'm new to this genre and didn't know what to look for. A read of Alan Hawk's "Which Reel?" made the process really simple. Whenever I buy a reel in future I'll certainly start there, although maybe not for something for bream where it really doesn't matter much at all. Sorry gear freaks!

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Old 16-04-2018, 04:43 PM
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Understand the reason but not the logic nagz. They would all make more money by drastically reducing the number of models in the line up. Simplified production, less stock inventory less logistical problems all means more profit. Seems we are all being held to ransom by nothing but the greed of the big players who think that by keeping us confused by feeding us B.S. they will make more money. All they get from me is disdain.
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Old 16-04-2018, 06:23 PM
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I understand where youíre coming from

Trust me I do, I used to be the guy out there trying to keep up with it all and running the latest and greatest where I could

Fact of the matter is, the big two are big businesses. I really think they know what theyíre doing and they have a very solid business plan in place that takes into account everything from the tackle store display to the sourcing of parts and materials to construction itself. They arenít out there to lose money by increasing the variety of product they sell, quite the opposite.

In reality, yes, we do have a plethora of reel platforms available to us as anglers now a days, but I for one think itís great. An easy solution would be to pick a model that is within your budget plus meets your requirements, and put your blinkers on to anything else. Trust me, youíll just get wrapped around the axels.

Imagine living in Japan where they have even more platforms available!!!!
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Old 16-04-2018, 06:43 PM
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I guess i am not really living in the real world but rather some parallel universe where everyone does things with logic and for the good of all including making a profit for the shareholders.
You have summed up my reel purchase decisions perfectly nags. With retirement looming some years ago i purchased the best i could while i had the money. I have looked after all these reels and they continue to serve us well however they do not last forever. So now in retirement and money not so freely available when a reel needs replacement i have headed for the mid range stuff sticking with one model which has proved it's self as at least reliable and stable.
Not being a fanboy of either camp i now find myself with a good cross section of great reels but for me the future seems a bit bleak as far as price verses quality goes. I have now put the blinkers on and just purchase the same model. I do not get into all the rubbish propagated by the big players although like you i used too but no more.
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I have often thought about this issue of huge model ranges in not only the tackle industry but across the board of all consumer goods, cars ,tv's, phones etc
Why?
I'm sure someone with a grasp on business and profit making could explain it to me but it blows my tiny mind when I think about all the resources that goes into making packaging and shipping the ridiculous amounts of stuff that we have available at the swipe of a credit card.
I'll ask again, Why so much stuff ???
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Old 27-04-2018, 05:57 AM
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Range = confusion = impulse = more profit
Top end reels are not the earner you may imagine for the retailer, but because they are a must have stock they are a good earner for the importer.
The days of building reels that last are as gone as service and warranty support. Like your $1500 smart phone it has a built in life that can only be tweaked with careful use, service and maintenance.
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Old 28-04-2018, 03:07 AM
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I miss the days when there used to be Daiwa Tournament Dealers

I felt that it was easier then as you knew precisely where to go for what you wanted when it came to high end

It also used to be good when you rattle off a model number, the sales staff actually had a clue about what you were talking about

I guess itís all too easy nowadays if you just buy it from Japan. Their websites sh!t all over most local ones and they actually have things in stock and reflect that statistic on their site
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Old 28-04-2018, 04:49 AM
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That is an issue that i had never thought about Nagz. I guess as a fishing shop owner or floor staff it would be almost impossible to have knowledge of each and every model that the manufactures produce. Can't tell you how many different models of spin reels that Shimano and Daiwa have between them but in Australia i would guess it would be approaching 40 or more and add to that the range the the OS shops have that we don't get here and it boggles my mind. In my view this is totally unnecessary, it is simply stupidity and a short sighted short cut to economic suicide not to mention getting the customers off side. Simply produce 5 or 6 models across the range, make them reliable and make parts available. Like you i miss the simple days, Daiwa Tournament Dealers who knew what they were talking about alongside some great Shimano gear that were very good at separating their ranges from Stella down. Despite the lower Aussie dollar it is still a viable option to purchase OS on some models. i am sure i am not the only one that has turned this way.
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Old 28-04-2018, 05:09 AM
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That is an issue that i had never thought about Nagz. I guess as a fishing shop owner or floor staff it would be almost impossible to have knowledge of each and every model that the manufactures produce. Can't tell you how many different models of spin reels that Shimano and Daiwa have between them but in Australia i would guess it would be approaching 40 or more and add to that the range the the OS shops have that we don't get here and it boggles my mind. In my view this is totally unnecessary, it is simply stupidity and a short sighted short cut to economic suicide not to mention getting the customers off side. Simply produce 5 or 6 models across the range, make them reliable and make parts available. Like you i miss the simple days, Daiwa Tournament Dealers who knew what they were talking about alongside some great Shimano gear that were very good at separating their ranges from Stella down. Despite the lower Aussie dollar it is still a viable option to purchase OS on some models. i am sure i am not the only one that has turned this way.

You are now the owner of a tackle shop.

Standing in front of you is the rep. a condition of your account is that you pre purchase 3 months ahead.....you know before you start that each and every top end reel you order is going to be sold at less than its cost you to put on the shelf.
You also know that there are better home market reels that you can't access but can be purchased online.......

The tackle industry is a hard hard game to play.
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