Strongest knot to the lure

[yellow door 1]

There's been alot of talk about the strongest knot from braid to leader. But the benefits are somewhat negated if the knot you tie to the lure breaks at 75% of breaking strain

So for those guys who go to the trouble of tying FG's - What knot do you use to attach the lure.

[Shortytheyakker]

I was thinking that today , i was wondering if your basic Albright or Slim beauty would be more than enough if the best lure connection knot breaks sooner .

[yellow door 1]

Originally Posted by Shortytheyakker

I was thinking that today , i was wondering if your basic Albright or Slim beauty would be more than enough if the best lure connection knot breaks sooner .

I used to tie fg's with 14lb fireline and 20lb vanish mainline flourcarbon - the connecting knot to the lure was a uni.

The Uni always broke before the FG. And thats the way I wanted it to go. But it made me think that maybe my FG's were a waste of time.

If I could tie a faster braid to leader knot - that broke marginally higher than a uni - I could be achieving the same result without the hassle

[spork]

Mine usually break at the braid - leader join (albright or slim beauty).
Would sooner tie another lure on than another leader as well.
For the lure I use a locked 1/2 bloodknot if I haven't removed the tow ring, or a leftys loop if I have removed the ring.
Need to start using better (ie: FG) leader knots I think.

[yellow door 1]

Originally Posted by spork

Mine usually break at the braid - leader join (albright or slim beauty).
Would sooner tie another lure on than another leader as well.
For the lure I use a locked 1/2 bloodknot if I haven't removed the tow ring, or a leftys loop if I have removed the ring.
Need to start using better (ie: FG) leader knots I think.

Yeah the FG (14lb fireline to 20lb Vanish mainline flourocarbon) beats a uni (20lb vanish to the jighead) in the line classes I use most often.

Where as a 5 turn surgeons loop (braid to leader) can be beaten by a Uni (tied to jighead)

I suppose I want to find out both what I can get away with and what the strongest knot possible for attaching a jighead is

[nagz]

I'm a massive fan of lefty's loop knot.

I use it with all different leaders with no dramas.

Nagz

[yellow door 1]

Originally Posted by nagz

I'm a massive fan of lefty's loop knot.

I use it with all different leaders with no dramas.

Nagz

Yeah I spose the knots become more important when you start "red-lining" your gear.

The only time my knots are tested is when I'm trying to de-snag a lure.

But there are instances when I would like to know I am using the strongest knot possible- both on my leader and the terminal tackle

[R Blair]

im pretty sure the palomar knot is meant to be one of the strongest, and also super easy to tie!

[yellow door 1]

Originally Posted by R Blair

im pretty sure the palomar knot is meant to be one of the strongest, and also super easy to tie!

Thanks - Just did a search on the palomar. I'll sacrifice a few per cent for super easy to tie. Looks like you can expect about 91%.

This San diego Jam also looks interesting. But I think it depends on the bloke tying the knot - I think Paulus doesnt like tying them - I'll go check

[yellow door 1]

CRIPES

Just read the review of an FG that appears on his site

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FG Knot. also look at the Seblie Result :- Nr Not one that I would use.



The FG knot, had me intrigued, so I thought I would try it, It is a slim braid to leader knot, where the end of the leader is heated to form a ball, the braid is twisted and looped around the leader and then up it's self.
I used 23 lb Whiplash pro braid and 50 lb Sunline FC leader
After tying one I could have done 10 albrights and 8 double bloods, but some of you seem to use these knots.

Testing it was a little bit of a surprise as the knot pulled apart, the braid separated at 1/2 the test lb, and popped off the leader, so I tied another.
It needs to be pulled up very tight as it is being tied. The problem is this knots tension is taken from the top not the bottom.
The second test again, as the braid tensions up it embeds into the leader, this allows the loops within the knot to separate, this then gives room for the loops to pop off, this knot does allow the braid to tension up on the leader but it allows the separation of the loops, the braid broke at 50% of it's test value.
This looked like a good knot, but it's not for me, must be better about.
I did a little more on that FG knot using Whiplash pro 30 lb braid and a Bimini Twist double and it still popped off, this time at 60% of the breaking strain of the braid.
I had 3 FG knots sent in to test, braid bs was 24lb, mono bs was 27lb, FG tested 18.59lb av 78%, with a low test of 15.25lb 64%.

But then I had 5 sent in using 14.5lb braid, the knots went to 12.2lb that's a good result 85%. "


I used to trust everything that site said - now I'm confused

[yellow door 1]

In mono - it looks like the half blood get the nod from paulus

[yellow door 1]

Turns out the humble half blood is a bloody good knot.

I've seen big fish lost when this knot is tied incorrectly so I've been scared to use it. I've also seen it lose to a uni knot recently

But I've heard enough evidence to see it is worth converting to.

I'm now wondering if doubling the line makes it even more worth tying

[nereus]

Even on jigheads i like a loop to allow a more natural presentation.....welll thats my theory anyway,i've found a leftys loop and Simple FG the best combination by far.The Loop breaks before the FG but so far never on a fish unless it gets to structure before i can pull it out or grab the spool,i use a ridiculous amount of drag in those situations also.
cheers nereus

[yellow door 1]

It only just dawned on me that a "San Deigo Jam" is just a locked half blood with a fancy name

[yellow door 1]

Originally Posted by nereus

Even on jigheads i like a loop to allow a more natural presentation.....welll thats my theory anyway,i've found a leftys loop and Simple FG the best combination by far.The Loop breaks before the FG but so far never on a fish unless it gets to structure before i can pull it out or grab the spool,i use a ridiculous amount of drag in those situations also.
cheers nereus

I hear that in relation to never busting off on a fish if your drag is correctly set - but when you mention grabbing the spool - I need to know what brand and lb leader and braid you use

Coz all this talk means nothing unless breaking strains are known

p.s. (Part of the reason for this thread is watching a bloke try to palm a spool with 30lb braid and 20lb leader - it didnt end well)